On 09/15/2014 10:29 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > This thread is a good example of basic human rights for women being > neutrally debated on tor-talk, by men.
That's a mischaracterization. Only one poster has defended the site. If I had the skills and resources, I'd take it down. Maybe I'll take a shot, as a learning experience. > While this is a subject that most if not all men can discuss neutrally, > it's a much more personal topic for most women, and seeing this > "discussed" (or rather: seeing the sexual assault of women defended) on > this list can polarize people against the Tor project. Again, there's been just one defender, who seems trollish. While I did comment on the propriety of the Tor Project taking action against the site, I did not mean to (and do not) defend the site. > Tor as a technology and community helps women and humans far more than > it hurts them, but some hidden services I won't contribute further to > their popularity by naming make compelling news stories, and quotes from > tor-talk are easily misquoted as official statements of the Tor project. That's a risk, but stifling discussion isn't the answer. > Since Tor's infrastructure relies entirely on volunteer contributions, > this makes discussion of the morality of some hidden services an > existential threat to Tor. These discussions should not be tolerated on > this or other Tor Project mailing lists. There are plenty of other > places to have those discussions, but these lists are not an appropriate > venue. If there is any "existential threat to Tor", it would be from the site, and not from it's discussion on tor-talk. I do worry that this site is especially dangerous, for two reasons. It appeals to a relatively large audience of peripubescent jerks. And its culture encourages real world action (harassing victims and their families, friends, employers, and so on) that attracts public attention. > The Tor Project could actively kill these threads, and in my opinion > should, but if they disagree, I hope that others on this list who agree > with some or all of my position help by *never responding* to such > discussions. While it's rarely appropriate to feed trolls, refusing to discuss evil doesn't make it go away. > Please do your best to ensure that we can build a world without > surveillance, without panopticon, and with the basic human right to > privacy defended and respected by technology and people. I totally agree. <SNIP> -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
