With the US military it is a case of take your pick, from hypersonic delivery systems and satellite laser shields, to brain scanning and strong AIs, I suppose any one or all of them could qualify.
Take a look at the US federal debt, even though the wars have been winding down, borrowing has increased exponentially: http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/us-federal-debt-by-president-political-party.jpg Trillions are going somewhere, so whatever it is, it is big and they are willing to undermine the financial health of the nation to deliver it. Regards, Mark McCarron > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:45:10 -0300 > From: apx....@gmail.com > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. > > >Mark McCarron said: > >Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into > some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? > >It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway. > > Do you have more details/links about that? > > Thanks > > Cheerz > http://apx808.blogspot.com > > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Mark McCarron <mark.mccar...@live.co.uk> > wrote: > > > I can answer this: > > > > 1. The IP addresses can be connected to an ISP and physical address > > should the need arise. It allows the NSA to "rewind the tape" so to speak. > > That is why there has been a push for data retention at ISPs. Given that > > in the EU governments are seeking 2 years, it would indicate that the > > platform can rewind internet activity for at least that long. > > > > 2. Tor is a communications platform, the NSA's job is to monitor > > communications and intercept military planning that effects either itself > > or its partners. Secure global communications and computing is now a > > commodity, whereas it was mainly a state-only capability. Thus, the > > average user is now coming up against intelligence agencies, rather than > > state actors alone. Leaving blind spots would be dangerous to national > > security as it provides opportunities for planning and coordination. So, > > there is a legitimate case here and no one denies it. The real problem is > > that in the absence of a genuine international threat and by that I mean > > someone on the scale of Russia/China, these systems are being directed > > against groups with limited capabilities. Those groups are now being > > defined as national security threats to justify budgets and to filter money > > into particular black projects. Revelations by Snowden and other releases > > are merely a distraction to where the money is really going. > > Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into > > some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? > > > > It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark McCarron > > > > > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:14:30 +0000 > > > From: simonsn...@openmailbox.org > > > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > Subject: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. > > > > > > I have two questions about the recent revelations that the NSA has been > > > collecting data about Tor users. > > > > > > I would like to hear from those with personal knowledge and experience > > > such as Jacob, Roger, Mike, etc. > > > > > > AIUI, from the stories in the German media > > > (http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html) and Wired > > > (http://www.wired.com/2014/07/nsa-targets-users-of-privacy-services/), > > > the NSA has logged the IP of everyone who ever accessed: > > > a) a directory server. > > > b) an entry node. > > > c) bridges.torproject.org > > > d) requested an email of bridges. > > > e) the tor website itself (except from five eyes countries). > > > > > > This is viable as the NSA runs the Quantum network which allows it to > > > intercept traffic to whichever sites it desires before that traffic > > > arrives at its destination. > > > > > > Two questions: > > > > > > 1. What would be the purpose of collecting a vast trove of IP > > addresses? > > > In my case, my IP could be tied to my real name since I send emails via > > > SMTP which will contain my IP, email address, real name, etc. That said, > > > IP addresses are dynamic. I don't know how easy it would be to identify > > > most people via an IP. Of course, one way would be to ask the ISP > > > directly. But, whether tied to a real identity or not, what's the point? > > > What does it achieve? They also gather the IP address for those who > > > access any number of proxy services such as MegaProxy and > > > FreeProxies.org. Would they not just end up with a massive database of > > > (mostly dynamic) IPs? > > > > > > 2. What is the attitude that encourages the gathering of this > > > information? Is it: because they can? Or do they truly believe that > > > anyone who uses Tor is dangerous? Bear in mind that Tor was developed > > > and is still funded by the US government. No-one can deny that > > > dissidents in unfree countries use it. So, even if you assume that a > > > high percentage of users are bad people, what about the dissidents in > > > the Middle East or wherever? What is the psychology here? I'm sure > > > people like Roger are in regular contact with some government types. > > > Perhaps he can shed some light on the motivation? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > > -- > > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
