On 12/19/2013 07:28 AM, Jim wrote: > Mirimir wrote: >> On 12/18/2013 11:18 PM, Jim wrote: >> >>> spaceman wrote: >>>>> From what I got they simply used timings: >>>> 1. They knew when the email arrived give or take (from headers). >>>> 2. They knew who connected to Tor at that particular time (from >>>> network logs). >>>> Even on college campus there might be a couple of Tor users. I would >>>> have used SSH to get to a 'unmonitored network', Tor and then >>>> mixmaster. >>> But the email could have come from anywhere. It didn't have to >>> originate on the campus. Then a timing correlation could link to >>> somebody who was merely unfortunate enough to be accessing Tor at >>> approximately the same time as somebody who was doing something >>> nefarious. I have certainly had the misfortune of being in the wrong >>> place at the wrong time and this is just a cyberspace equivalent of >>> that. >>> >>> Jim >> >> Police are trained in how to manipulate suspects into confessing. And >> most people have no clue how to deal with that. It's not so bad for the >> innocent. They can just be natural. But, for the guilty, it's much^N >> harder. It takes skill to convincingly feign innocence. >> >> As Ted Smith noted: "The moral of the story is, never talk to police >> other than to say you want a lawyer." That's the appropriate answer >> whether you're innocent or guilty. > > This is going seriously OT, so I'll cease after this post.
Using Tor to make bomb threats is clearly off-topic for tor-talk. However, knowing how to deal with government agents is important for anyone running a relay, especially an exit relay, and crucially in places where it's forbidden to run relays. Perhaps there ought to be a training video for prospective relay operators. In this video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc>, a "law school professor and former criminal defense attorney tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police." I've also seen one by a former police officer that was very informative. > You are correct when you say never talk to the police w/o a lawyer, > whether guilty or innocent. I disagree about it necessarily being > easier for the innocent. The guilty might at least have a clue about > what not to say. The innocent do not have that advantage -- as I > learned to my detriment. Fortunately it was a relatively minor matter. > > The police make up their minds about whether they think you are guilty > or not and act accordingly. Their view about your guilt or innocent may > not have a terribly strong correlation with reality. They're well trained in psychology to read guilt. But the guilt that they detect may be irrelevant to the present circumstances ;) > Jim > > -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
