More direct responses: >From: Cat S >Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:14 PM >To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> "real solution" = discussion forum I elaborated on my disagreement in the message I just sent. > I'm going to start an account at stack exchange and try my damndest to > make my question in the top: > "Why won't the Tor Project support user-friendly form of anonymous > communication - i.e., a discussion forum?" Great! Thanks. Your responses will be from techies though. Only techies use Stack Exchange. > Otherwise, decrease the lag time between when a message is posted on the mailing-list and when it reaches my inbox. I didn't notice this issue, but I will keep en eye on it and check message headers (my mail goes through several servers even after reach my domain at present) and see if I see significant lag. Email has more lag due to the way most mail clients work/are configured mostly, but certainly Tor's listserv may need a fix in this regard. But in terms of instant messaging, #1 are "instant messaging" programs, especially ones that use peer-to-peer connections, #2 are social media sites and similar more isolated platforms, and #3 are forums -- if you monitor them and refresh the page with one hand constantly. Now, Tor could put an html5 proxied IRC client on their home page that gave a "chat sidebar" that was tech-knowledge-nonrequired. There are codes out there for this already I believe. Or a non-proxied one tht depended on Java or something (also available already), but that's counter to Tor's objectives, wouldn't work in TBB and is not as friendly anyway. > I mean, what the hell?! Why does it take so effing long for an e-mail to reach my inbox when it's been up on the mailing-list for quite a while?! Again, I haven't noticed this. How long is "quite a while" ? Check your full message headers when you get the message and see if you can spot a delay at yoru email provider or something. > The Tor Project needs someone who ONLY cares about Tor's users, not about the code per se. Should be easy enough to recruit people for such goals I would think, since there are a lot more people that care about Tor than there are people who know how to code. Sounds like more resources for website development might be good too. > (as techies already now how to use these programs, the prole you're > trying to help generally DO NOT - I know this because I teach many > people how to use TBB). And of all similar projects, Tor has so far done the best job of being user-friendly and the best job of PR with the public. So there is work to be done... Maybe I can help? Maybe you can help? Great by-by-the-way that you have not only evangelized but helped people learn about Tor. Privacy needs to be made more simple. Some of the thing to duo that are highliy technical and behindd the scenes. A lot of it is a cultural fight-back to the anti-privacy motivations of the capitizing of the internet, and the fact that privacy was not a design goal in the underlying pdesign of the internet. And the fact that besides the capitilist motivations for capitilizing on profiling people and their data, there is also the natural tendency for all governments to want to know as much as possible about their population (oh, and other people and governments) as they can get away with. But in the "free world" (greatly overstated) it is clearly a cultural war, and PR and evangilism might be one of the most important aspects. Accessibility of alternative ways to meet the "needs" that people now expect of communication technology that fit with a more human-rights-oriented model requires a lot of thought and coding, a lot of PR, and a lot of innovation. The WWW took off almost unexpectedly. Maybe we can review research (or perform research) on how this was sold to the public... Same with other innovations, like the iPhone. Wow. Many wonderful innovations fall relatively flat, even with substantial resources behind them. Some thhat come to mind because they did BETTER than most innovations but not well enough: laser discs, betamax.... Linux is an interesting mixed success. Started as a very small project that was just awesome, and later distributions were created to market it to the general public with a fair bit of notice, but there are ongoing problems that have not been solved to make is user-friendly enough, esp. when people want to buy and steal things like giant thousands of dollars software packages from Adobe and Micosoft (well, not they're trying to get people to lease the stuff ..don't get me started... those and other companies have been working hard to end "property" (except they're own IP) for years, and this is just the next stage). ****** It's a war and mobilization and organizing of techies and non-techies alike is what's needed. ****** Asa _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
