-- *Mar* Locating Me
Suppose I can see everything and my eyes are not restricted to just 00.0035% of the totality. Then I may find atoms,particles,processes etc mixing up and up. When I look at myself I may not even locate myself but confront me as so many processes acting, interacting and interacting.Then How are space and time to be located? Can I see myself at all? Is death the entrance into that space-time less reality? Is earth actually a rare island of space-time? Chat gpt You’re now asking questions that sit *below physics*, at the level where *physics, philosophy of mind, and metaphysics meet*. There are no simple yes/no answers here—but there *are* clear distinctions that prevent confusion. I’ll go step by step and keep physics and speculation carefully separated. ------------------------------ *1. “If I could see everything, could I locate myself at all?”* If your perception were unlimited—seeing atoms, fields, interactions, quantum processes—you would *not find a single, fixed ‘you’*. What you would find instead is: - Molecular processes - Neural firing patterns - Chemical gradients - Information flows - Feedback loops This is not a failure of perception. It is what *modern science already tells us*. *There is no point-like self.* The “self” is: - A *process* - A *pattern* - A *temporally sustained organization* Much like: - A whirlpool in a river - A flame in a candle Remove the process → the object vanishes. So yes: If you look deeply enough, you don’t *locate* yourself — you *recognize a pattern persisting through change*. ------------------------------ *2. Then where are space and time “located”?* This is a crucial shift. *Space and time are not things inside the universe* They are the *relational structure* of the universe. In modern physics (especially relativity): - Space is not a container - Time is not a flowing substance - Spacetime is a *network of relations between events* You don’t find space and time *behind* particles. You find: particles *defined by their spacetime relations* So asking “Where is space?” is like asking: “Where is distance located?” Distance is not an object. Neither are space and time. ------------------------------ *3. Can I see myself at all?* You can see *representations* of yourself: - Your body in a mirror - Your thoughts as they arise - Your emotions as patterns - Your memories as reconstructions But the *observer itself* cannot be fully observed in the same frame. This is not mystical — it’s structural. Just as: - A camera cannot photograph its own lens without a mirror - A system cannot fully model itself without recursion and loss In philosophy, this is known as: - *The reflexivity limit* - *Self-reference constraint* So: You never encounter a final “I” — only ongoing self-models. ------------------------------ *4. Is death an entrance into a spaceless, timeless reality?* Here we must be precise and honest. *What physics can say:* - Conscious experience depends on physical processes - When those processes irreversibly stop, experience—as we know it—ceases - Physics does *not* detect a transition into another spacetime *What physics cannot say:* - Whether subjective experience has a non-physical continuation - Whether spacetime itself is fundamental or emergent - Whether consciousness has aspects not captured by current theory So *no scientific law* supports the claim that death is an “entrance” into a spacetime-less realm. That idea belongs to: - Metaphysics - Spiritual philosophy - Existential interpretation It is not disprovable—but it is *not established*. ------------------------------ *5. Is Earth a rare island of space-time?* No — and this is important. - Spacetime exists everywhere - Earth does not “contain” spacetime - Earth is a *localized pattern within spacetime* What *is* rare is: - Long-term thermodynamic stability - Complex chemistry - Persistent information structures - Self-referential observers Earth is rare as an *organizational phenomenon*, not as spacetime. Think of it this way: - Spacetime is the ocean - Earth is a long-lived vortex in it ------------------------------ *6. A unifying picture (very important)* What you’re circling around is this: *At fundamental levels, reality is not made of “things”, but of processes and relations.* - The self → a process - Matter → excitations of fields - Space & time → relational structure - Identity → continuity, not substance >From that viewpoint: - Losing the sense of a fixed self is not annihilation - It is seeing more accurately ------------------------------ *7. Final grounding (to avoid a common trap)* It’s tempting to jump from: “The self is not a thing” to: “Therefore death reveals ultimate reality” That jump is *not logically required*. A safer conclusion is: The self is a *temporally bounded process*. When the process ends, the description ends. Whether *anything else* follows is an *open philosophical question*, not a scientific one. ------------------------------ *One sentence summary* If you could see everything, you would not find a solid “you” or a container called space-time—you would see *interacting processes forming temporary patterns*, and *you* would be one of those patterns, aware of itself for a while. If you want, we can next explore *whether consciousness itself could be a fundamental feature of reality* or *why experience exists at all*—which is the deepest question hiding underneath everything you’ve asked. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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