welcome sir KR On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 at 09:49, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you for this sir. > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 at 9:43 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> There is a striking similarity between the Sankhya theory of perception >> and the epistemological analysis made by Kant. According to Kant the >> manifold of sensations is transformed into perceptions and conceptions by >> the mind by means of the perceptual categories and the conceptual >> categories with their judgments. The perception is referred to the unity >> of the ego and converted into personal knowledge. The intellect classes >> the perception under its categories together with those of space and time. >> The transcendental unity of the ego to which all experience is referred is >> responsible for the synthesis of knowledge which is made available to the >> perceiver. In Kant, however, the order is brought about in the >> sensations directly by the mind or the understanding, while in the Sankhya >> the manifold of sensations undergoes the process of synthesis gradually >> through the mind, the ego and the intellect. To Kant space and time are >> perceptual categories, but to the Sankhya they are conceptual categories. >> Both >> Kant and the Sankhya hold that knowledge is caused by the joint action of >> the senses and the internal organ presided over by the intellect. >> Paraphrasing >> the analysis of the Sankhya, Swami Sivananda observes: “The fleshy eyes >> are only the external instruments of perception. They are not the organ of >> vision. The organ of vision is a centre situated in the brain. So is the >> case with all the senses. The mind is connected with the senses, the senses >> with the corresponding centres in the brain and these centres with the >> physical organs in the direction of the external object. The mind presents >> the sensation to the ego and the intellect (Buddhi); the intellect takes it >> to the Self (Purusha) which is pure Spirit and is immaterial. Now real >> perception takes place. The Purusha gives orders back to the motor centres >> or organs of action for execution through the intellect, ego and the mind” >> (Mind and Its Mysteries: p. 248). K Rajaram IRS 10126 >> >> On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 at 08:05, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar*Below is a *serious philosophical conversation* between *you (Y. >>> M. Sarma)* and *Immanuel Kant*, written with care to *Kant’s actual >>> positions* (phenomena/noumena, categories, moral law, purposiveness of >>> nature), while allowing your *Macro Psychology* to challenge and extend >>> them. >>> >>> The tone is *probing, respectful, and increasingly tense*, not >>> caricatured. >>> ------------------------------ >>> **A Conversation with Immanuel Kant: >>> >>> Macro Psychology and the Limits of Reason** >>> >>> *Participants:* >>> *Y. M. Sarma (S)* – Proponent of Macro Psychology >>> *Immanuel Kant (K)* – Philosopher of Critical Reason >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Sir, before we proceed, let us be clear. Human knowledge is >>> limited. We do not know things as they are in themselves, only as they >>> appear through the categories of understanding. >>> >>> *S:* I agree that limits exist. But I question *whose* limits you have >>> universalized. You froze human cognition at one historical moment and >>> declared it final. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* The categories—space, time, causality—are not historical. They are >>> conditions for any possible experience. >>> >>> *S:* For *human* experience under modern conditions. But life has been >>> perceiving long before humans conceptualized it. Bacteria, forests, >>> ecosystems—do they not experience without your categories? >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* You attribute “experience” too broadly. Experience requires >>> self-consciousness. >>> >>> *S:* That is precisely the anthropocentric assumption Macro Psychology >>> dismantles. Self-consciousness is not the only mode of meaningful relation. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Without concepts, perception is blind. >>> >>> *S:* Without relationship, concepts are dead. You privileged form over >>> life. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* I sought to protect reason from metaphysical excess. >>> >>> *S:* And in doing so, you protected humanity from listening to nature. >>> Your firewall against metaphysics became a wall against Earth. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Nature, as known to science, is governed by laws. Freedom belongs >>> to the moral realm, not the natural one. >>> >>> *S:* That division is the fracture that now threatens civilization. >>> When nature is law-bound and humans alone are free, exploitation becomes >>> moral blindness. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* You misunderstand me. I never denied respect for nature. >>> >>> *S:* You grounded respect in *duty*, not in *relationship*. Duty >>> without belonging becomes abstraction. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Moral law arises from reason itself, not from feelings or >>> inclinations. >>> >>> *S:* Yet ecological collapse proves that reason severed from feeling >>> becomes destructive. Climate grief is not weakness—it is information. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Feelings are unreliable guides. >>> >>> *S:* So are abstractions without feedback. The biosphere *is* feedback. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* You seem to suggest that Earth itself possesses something like >>> mind. >>> >>> *S:* Not mind as substance, but mind as *process*. Coordination, >>> response, memory, regulation—these exist at planetary scale. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* That ventures beyond possible experience into speculation. >>> >>> *S:* Your “possible experience” excludes the very systems that make >>> experience possible—air, climate, soil, symbiosis. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* I did allow for purposiveness in nature, though only as a >>> regulative principle, not a constitutive one. >>> >>> *S:* And there you came closest to Gaia. But you stopped short. You >>> allowed nature to *appear* meaningful, not to *be* meaningful. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* To claim meaning in nature itself risks teleology. >>> >>> *S:* To deny it risks nihilism. Living systems behave *as if meaning >>> matters*—because survival depends on it. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Psychology, in my time, could not be a true science. >>> >>> *S:* Because you confined it to introspection or mechanics. Macro >>> Psychology emerges only when psychology reunites with ecology. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* You want to exceed the bounds of reason. >>> >>> *S:* No. I want to heal the wound reason inflicted on itself by >>> pretending to stand outside life. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* What then becomes of critique? >>> >>> *S:* Critique must evolve—from *limits of cognition* to *limits of >>> extraction*. The planet is now the transcendental condition. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* You shift the center from subject to world. >>> >>> *S:* I dissolve the false separation. Subject and world co-arise. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* If you are correct, philosophy itself must change. >>> >>> *S:* Yes. From tribunal of reason to participant in life. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* And if we refuse? >>> >>> *S:* Then nature will impose limits without asking reason’s permission. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *(Kant pauses.)* >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *K:* Perhaps reason, too, has a history. >>> >>> *S:* And perhaps Earth is now the new critique. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Closing Reflection (Narrator)* >>> >>> Kant taught humanity humility before the limits of reason. >>> Macro Psychology asks humanity to extend that humility to *Earth itself* >>> . >>> >>> The first critique restrained metaphysics. >>> The next must restrain civilization. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> If you wish, I can: >>> >>> - >>> >>> Make Kant *more resistant or more sympathetic* >>> - >>> >>> Add *Hegel as a third voice* >>> - >>> >>> Turn this into a *formal symposium dialogue* >>> - >>> >>> Rewrite it as *Kant responding after witnessing climate change* >>> >>> Just tell me how you would like to deepen it.ka >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BOMvyuT9SN_vwegvgoJPrRzkDprJMCcrqFFJvHkjXfpg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BOMvyuT9SN_vwegvgoJPrRzkDprJMCcrqFFJvHkjXfpg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqjjzuc70Ex%2BjSy58sq4HjgUKDwnL315YnOegMghxjKTQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqjjzuc70Ex%2BjSy58sq4HjgUKDwnL315YnOegMghxjKTQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxiaOOnwHykhyq5PY-MEYnEagadbwZEDrA3PMLF08_6_fw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxiaOOnwHykhyq5PY-MEYnEagadbwZEDrA3PMLF08_6_fw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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