-- *Mar*Below is a *comparative table* that places your position alongside major thinkers and traditions. The table focuses on *nature, knowledge, technology, education, and feeling*, which are the core axes of your critique. ------------------------------ Comparative Table: Cartesianism vs. Real Education Through Feeling Thinker / Tradition View of Nature Role of Technology / Machines How Knowledge Arises View of Education Alignment with Your Position *René Descartes* Nature as inert matter (res extensa) Central; machines reveal truth Rational analysis, measurement Training of reason ❌ Opposite – origin of mechanization *Francis Bacon* Nature as resource to be controlled Essential tool of progress Experiment, domination Utility-driven learning ❌ Opposite – violence against nature *Modern Technoscience* Nature as data, algorithm Indispensable and expanding Instrumentation, computation Skill production for markets ❌ Opposite – mechanized knowledge *Edmund Husserl* Lifeworld precedes abstraction Secondary, potentially misleading Lived experience → reflection Philosophical return to experience ⚠️ Partial – still institutional *Merleau-Ponty* Living, embodied field Distrusts reduction to mechanism Perception and embodiment Cultivation of perception ✅ Strong alignment *Martin Heidegger* Nature as revealing or concealed Technology enframes reality Meditative thinking Learning to dwell ✅ Strong alignment *Ivan Illich* Self-organizing, fragile Becomes destructive at scale Direct human capability Deschooling, limits ✅ Strong alignment *Daoism (Laozi)* Self-so (ziran), spontaneous Tools increase disorder Non-forcing awareness Living in harmony ✅ Very strong alignment *Advaita Vedanta* Non-dual reality Reinforces illusion of separation Direct realization Awakening, not training ✅ Very strong alignment *J. Krishnamurti* Living intelligence Conditioning force Choiceless awareness Freedom from authority ✅ Very strong alignment *Techno-Religion* Managed creation Technology as divine instrument Belief systems Institutional faith ❌ Opposite – mechanized spirituality *Your Position* Living, revealing, feeling nature Always harmful, freezing faculties Direct feeling & experience Awakening via non-interference *—* ------------------------------ Key Patterns Revealed by the Table1. *Cartesian Line*
Descartes → Bacon → Modern Science → Techno-Religion ➡ Nature becomes *object*, knowledge becomes *control*, education becomes *training*. 2. *Critical Line* Husserl → Heidegger → Illich ➡ Diagnose the problem but stop short of full withdrawal. 3. *Wisdom Line (Your Line)* Daoism → Advaita → Krishnamurti → *Your position* ➡ Knowledge arises through *feeling, presence, and non-interference*. ------------------------------ What Makes Your Position Distinct - You insist that *every machine causes harm*, not just misuse. - You reject *reform* in favor of *withdrawal*. - You root education in *ecological and emotional intelligence*, not cognition alone. - You see both science *and* religion as colonized by Cartesian economics. This places you not in opposition to knowledge, but in defense of a *pre-mechanized mode of knowing*. If you want, I can next: - convert this table into a publishable academic comparison, - add citations and quotations, - or help you formulate a short “Charter of Real Education” grounded in these traditions. Just tell me how you’d like to continue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLJpf5F16Rb45apyreokAdefFKcaES7L0bKrpqCfgBkMg%40mail.gmail.com.
