The problem of general members is, silence ,not taking any sides nor
expressing their knowledge or questioning the propriety or differing wrt
the norms and standards of scriptures. So three musketeers dance without
any content and simply adding abuse tirade against; and members feel they
are not hit so let the cat cross in any direction. This kind of attitude
only is the emblem of India where developments are stalled by such silence.
By remaining silent, nothing they can gain. Now have you ever asked me or
them why do you say so? Did anyone ask, if the South has a procedure , how
does the North remain different? Do the south celebrate Ram Navami on
punarpoosam? Because some goon tortured house hold women, will it be the
culture acceptable. Did anyone ask Gopala or Narayana, instead of abuses,
why not write the evidence of their theory? If members think I am egoistic,
well, in a way, yes; if truth is not assuaged and presented well, the
posterity will follow only the ignorance of the majority who lead their
life without reading even generally, our scriptures. Now THE REASON IS
PRESENTED BELOW, FOR CELEBRATING BIRTHDAY ON STAR IS ERRONEOUS AS
BIRTHDAY BY THITHI OR ENGLISH CALENDER IS THE RIGHT ONE.
KR: "Rama Navami Krishna Ashtami vinaayaka Chaturthi kanda
sashti Visnu Ekadashi all on thithis.
Why?
Because we were adopting LUNAR MONTHS AND DAYS GIVING THE THITHIS ONLY
EARLIER; LATER WE SHIFTED OUR LINES FOR CERTAIN THINGS ON solar days and
months.
We celebrate our birthday on the birth star falling in the solar month AND
DAYS.
EAARLIER FIXED BIRTH DATES WERE celebrated on the thithi in the
respective lunar
months.
Rama's birth day is not celebrated on his birth star, Punarvasu but on the
thithi he was born.
A Thithi is different from a star.
When we speak about star, we actually refer to 1/ 27th portion of the
circle of 360 degrees of the zodiac. This is equal to 13-20 degrees. Starting
from zero degrees Aries, the sky (Zodiac) is divided into 27 equal parts
and each part is known by a star present in that part. And wherew the stars
are repeated in that solar month twice we without reason adopted the first
one as our birthday conveniently.
Thithi is the distance between the Moon and the sun. The starting point is
not Aries. The starting point is the conjunction of the moon and the sun
(Amavasya). Hence Sukla and Krishna paksha going away and coming closer
were considered as indexes. Thithi we are born may be Krishnaa paksha or
Sukla paksha of the Sanskrit month which is also written in the Jadagam.
SUN and moon distance widens or shrinks. SOLAR month star and LUNAR MONTH
THITHI may not be the same on every birthday; stars can occur twice in a
solar month where the confusion would arise. But thithi is only one. The
birth day thithi cannot be many.
The distance from one conjunction to another is a circle which means 360
degrees. This distance is covered in 30 days. So in one day 12 degrees are
covered. A Thithi thus has 12 degrees whereas the star has 13-20 degrees. The
conjunction of a star and a particular Thithi will not be repeated every
year. Exactly the birth time is only thithi which is 12 degrees within;
13-20 degrees is not your thithi but we celebrate our birthday by star in
the solar calendar. Such errors are not committed in Gods like Rama,
Krishna, Vinayaka, Subramanya etc. In death we did not lose the Lunar
calendar and we presumed that that alone is correct. For that matter
akarshana between Moon and SUN is a variable for all who were born on those
tithis. STAR is a jumble of just 28 and now 27 and varies by precision.
K R IRS 6425/7425
KR We have the Lunar and the solar system. The birthday rolls
around only between the SUN and the MOON. Hence where the birth was on a
star day with the thithi and Nazhigai, (time0 in a particular month, every
birth date as per English Calendar would be calculated from midnight
onwards; viz if your birth was on 1-1-xx at 1 Am, english date of birth is
2-1-xx and not 1 1 xx. And every year that day would be correct. The "West"
predominantly uses a solar calendar, specifically the Gregorian calendar,
which is based on the Earth's orbit around the Sun, rather than the lunar
cycles. SOLAR SYSTEM GOES BY MID NIGHT PITCHING ON THE MOVEMENTS OF THE
SUN. On the contrary LUNAR system
based on MOON mainly wrt the sun as secondary. But thithi 15 up and 15
down are based on movements of the moon
as 12 degrees, 12*15 up + 15*12=360 degrees. That means 30 days a month for
12 months would be only 360days
on the lunar system. The vakya panchangam based on the Lunar system
maintained till 1700 AD, haad to be changed
to the actual planetary system DRUG. As tithi calculation then were not
calculated correctly, then society switched
for birth on star while that error in death day was side-tracked. Even
sradham on those thithi could have been erroneous.
But till drig system came in they were passed through. So that change even
if erroneous, could not have been considered
as rightfully adopted at all. So writing we do it, soth does it etc
reveal only the absence of the interest in not trying
to learn, but to call the right one a fool and assert Gopalaa thought only
as right.
On the contrary star, thithi karanam yogam etc panchangam was
based only on the Lunar system,
unlike the west. However leaving aside the four elements but
adopting only the star as birth day leads
to the error of adopting THEN as 13.20 degree per star which when 28 stars
were in vogue gave the year as
370 days which was considered as wrong hence the 28th star was removed.
Again 27 stars also gave a year
as 356.4 days which was also incorrect. So the Drig system found it as star
of 4 padams each has
13.33 degrees. And therefore each Rasi has 30 degrees in astrology. So if
you had considered only the
star as a birthday in the solar system, the birth day, could be in any
padam of your birth; and padam may
arise only in the night; but you would have celebrated your birthday in the
morning itself.
Now for srardham one finds the thithi correctly whether shukla or
krishna paksha. However
thithi after the corrections applied, (from 360 days to 365.25 days) wrt
the paksha will not change
as 12 degrees is a constant and may arise after the SUN rise from certain
nazhigai but would
be covered on a day. Thithi cannot go wrong. Star may arise twice in a
month; and we take the
first one as our birth day; suppose it is not the paksha we were born
with? So west is right
following Solar or Indian as Thithi following Lunar. And since star stretch
to 13.33 degrees
while tithi ends in 12 degrees, we could trespass onto that extra-territory
also. Hence only
Rama, Krishna, Vinayaka and skanda and all concerned with the
GODs' celebrations were
carried out on tithi and not on star. THINK BEFORE YOU INK OR THREE
FINGERS POINTED
ONLY YOU. K RAJARAM IRS 7425
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 at 19:41, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Respected friends,
>
> Member Mr. Rajaram is impatient and lost reading with concentration. I*
> have stated among "South Indian Brahmins"*
>
> *If he is not impatient, let him change his spectacles, if he is wearing.*
>
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Sunday 6 April, 2025 at 07:18:16 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Another aviveki Gopala jalras along with sin city barking; he cannot
> distinguish chekku and Shivalinga but will pretend as if knowledgeable. If
> stars alone is considered for birth days and not thithis then why do you
> celebrate Ramanavami to day and Krishna's on Ashtami?; aviveki shall
> answer; so thithi and nakshatra and months together are important in which
> thithi of the Sanskrit month alone were considered earlier; but later some
> easy going fellows like Gopala changed it as many things are changed today.
> Celebrate Rama BD on punarpusam and Krishna as your aviveki said but none
> does it why? KR IRS 6425 who is dalith yourself.
>
> On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 at 18:08, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Among south Indian Brahmins as I understand, for birth star is considered
> and for annual death ceremony thithi is considered. Normally in Tamilnadu,
> instead of srardha thithi is used by many brahmins.
>
> *A member always argues.* There is no end.* It is wise not to correspond
> with such a member and ignore him.*
>
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Sunday 6 April, 2025 at 03:33:27 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear folks
>
> Mad canines with only cans of wriggling worms instead of brains in their
> heads scream, screech and shout in drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken
> English:-
>
> " *SOME AVIVEKI WAS ASSURUNG BIRTH DAY ONLY BY NAKSHATRA AND I QUESTIONED
> ON RAMA NAVAMI AND KRISHNA ASHATAMI WHICH IS BY-PASSED.....**K Rajaram
> ex-IRS 6425. *"
>
> The truth is that Lord Sree Raama was born under punarvasu nakshathram and
> Lord Sree Krishna was born under rohini nakshathram.
>
> Both vaalmeeki and kamban confirm Lord Sree Raama's birth star as
> punarvasu.
>
> We call the nakshathram punarpoosham in South India.
>
> The notorious DALIT super aviveki who wears no poonal, never underwent any
> samskaarams, and never attended any veda paata-shaala nor received vedic
> instruction under any reputable, learned, experienced and competent guru,
> cannot be expected to know any of this.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 4:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Rāmanavamī (रामनवमी) or Śrīrāmanavamī refers to “Rāma’s birthday
> celebrations”, as discussed in the twenty-fifth chapter of the
> Agastyasaṃhitā (agastya-suīkṣṇa-saṃvāda edition), an ancient Pāñcarātra
> Āgama text dealing with the worship of Rāma, Sītā, Lakṣmaṇa and
> Hanumān.—[Cf. the chapter śrī-rāmanavamī-praśaṃsā]:—Every year in the
> caitra-month. on the ninth day when the constellation Punarvasu is there,
> the birthday of Rāma is to be remembered. Fasting and a vigil should be
> observed on the “ninth day,” as well as tarpaṇa-rites. Those who break the
> fast enjoined will go to hell. Alms-giving is also to be practised On the
> following day (i.e., the “tenth day”), Rāma and His retinue should be
> meditated upon with the devadasi-mantra, and then worshipped thrice along
> with the aṣṭākṣara-mantra. Such muttering of these powerful mantras is
> itself sufficient to yield great results. SOME AVIVEKI WAS ASSURUNG BIRTH
> DAY ONLY BY NAKSHATRA AND I QUESTIONED ON RAMA NAVAMI AND KRISHNA ASHATAMI
> WHICH IS BY-PASSED. KNOWLEDGE IS IF HALF BAKED, ONLY ANGER SHALL PERSIST
> AND AS DOG GROWLS, ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WILL BE ROARING.
>
> 2 {samrajya Lakshmi pithika}: Lord Rama while fasting for one full day
> (astavamas) so that sins committed by him may be destroyed, his desires may
> be fulfilled, enemies may parish, he may be endowed with victory and above
> all, Lord Rama may be pleased (84.4-8). Soon after that he, while in the
> company of other members of his family, bathes the golden idol of Rama in
> Pancamrta, Pancagavva and sacred water. Then the idol is seated on a
> decorated seat spread with Silken clothes. Other acts of the ritual like
> Pranapratistha (breathing of life), various kinds of offering etc. are made
> by him while the priest is described to keep on chanting suitable formulae
> from the kalpa (Abhaki?). Similarly, the great offering of Naivedya is made
> while 'five musical instruments' keep on playing. The ritualistic worship
> is said to be concluded with offerings, in honour of the god, articles like
> a number of blue-lotuses, fully blossomed, white lilies 83 (Pundarika), New
> Bilva leaves, Kunda and Kurutaka flowers and the leaves of Tulasi (the Holy
> Basil). This is followed by chanting one thousand names of Rama (9-16).
> Such worship, enjoins the author, is stipulated to be performed in all the
> eight yamas (one yama is period for three hours) (Monier-Williams,
> p.850.1). The night also is spent 83. Offering of leaves of Bilva to Rama
> an incarnation of Visnu appears to be a peculiarity of the
> Samrajya-lakshmi-pithika tradition. Normally, such leaves are offered to
> Siva and his family.
>
> 3 A number of cities mentioned in the Ramayana legends about
> Rama's life observe major celebrations. These include Ayodhya (Uttar
> Pradesh) Rameswaram (Tamil Nadu), Bhadrachalam (Telangana) and Sitamarhi
> (Bihar).
>
> The rituals and customs associated with Rama Navami vary from region to
> region throughout India. Many of these traditions include reading and
> listening to discourses from the Ramayana, organizing ratha yatras (chariot
> processions), charitable events, hosting a wedding procession
> (kalyanotsavam) of Rama and Sita,[6] and offering reverence to Sita,
> Lakshmana, and Hanuman who have played important roles in Rama's life
> story. Surya, the Hindu solar deity, is also worshipped among some
> communities.
>
> In Karnataka, Rama Navami is celebrated by the local mandalis
> (organizations) and streets, by dispersing free panakam (a jaggery drink)
> and some food. Additionally, in Bengaluru, Karnataka, the Sree Ramaseva
> Mandali, R.C.T (R.) Chamrajpet, organizes India's most prestigious,
> month-long classical music festival. The uniqueness of this 80 year old
> musical extravaganza is that celebrated Indian classical musicians,
> irrespective of their religion, from both genres – Carnatic (South Indian)
> and Hindustani (North Indian) – descend down to offer their musical
> rendition to Rama and the assembled audience
>
> In eastern Indian states such as Odisha, Jharkhand, and West Bengal, the
> Jagannath temples and regional Vaishnava community observe Rama Navami, and
> begin preparations for their annual Jagannath Ratha Yatra in summer.
>
> Nepal celebrates Ram Navami with particular enthusiasm, especially at the
> Janaki Temple in Janakpur (Sita's birthplace). The temple hosts week-long
> celebrations including ritual bathing of Ram's image in milk and water from
> sacred wells. Local traditions incorporate elements of Mithila culture with
> distinctive art forms featuring geometric patterns and natural dyes.
>
> Devotees associated with ISKCON fast throughout the day. A number of
> ISKCON temples introduced a more prominent celebration of the occasion of
> the holiday with the view of addressing needs of growing native Hindu
> congregation. It was however a notable calendar event on the traditional
> Gaurabda calendar with a specific additional requirement of fasting by
> devotees.
>
> On April 17, 2024, the first Rama Navami after the consecration of
> Ayodhya's Ram Temple was celebrated by thousands of devotees across India.
> On this occasion, the Ram Temple witnessed a unique event at noon as the
> forehead of the Ram Lalla murti was anointed with a ray of sunlight, known
> as Surya Til] Scores of devotees watched the live-streaming of the event
> across the globe.
>
> During Rama Navami, reading or listening from literature about Rama is a
> common practice. Reading the entire Ramayana (Hindu epic entailing the
> adventures of Rama for a week leading up to Rama Navami is organized. The
> earliest version of the text was composed by the sage Valm Bhadrachalam
> temple in Telangana is one of the major Rama Navami celebration sites.
> Tulsidas's Ramcharitmanas, a later version of the Ramayana written in the
> vernacular of that time, is also popularly recited. The start of the
> composition of the Ramcharitmanas began on Rama Navami.
>
> A public dramatic performance, known as Ramlila, is annually hosted on the
> festivals of Rama Navami and Vijayadashami. Ramlila encapsulates the story
> of Rama through music, drama, dance and various other mediums The
> enactments of Ramlila are inspired by the Tulsidas's Ramcharitmanas.
>
> Rama Navami is one of the Hindu festivals that is celebrated by the Indian
> diaspora with roots in Uttar Pradesh and other states The descendants of
> Indian indentured servants who were forced to leave India due to famines
> and then promised jobs in colonial South Africa before 1910 in
> British-owned plantations and mines, and thereafter lived under the South
> African apartheid regime, continued to celebrate Rama Navami by reciting
> the Ramayana and by singing bhajans of Tyagaraja and Bhadrachalam Ramdas.
> The tradition continues in contemporary times in the Hindu temples of
> Durban every year.
>
> Similarly, in Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana, Suriname, Jamaica, other
> Caribbean countries, Mauritius, Malaysia, Singapore, and many other
> countries with Hindu descendants of colonial-era indentured workers forced
> to leave British India have continued to observe Rama Navami along with
> their other traditional festivals.
>
> It is also celebrated by Hindus in Fiji and Fijian Hindus who have
> re-migrated elsewhere.
>
> K Rajaram IRS 6425
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