Let the dogs bark against the SUN Rig vedam; we are to be stopped because some foul words are hurled against; remember even Lord Krishna was abused by Sisupalan; so keep progressing without fear; where the mind is without fear. Avivekis exist, so do vivekis. KR IRS 26325
On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 at 09:15, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > Rajaram Sir, > You cannot be suppressed and controlled.Your scholarship enlightens like > the rays of the Sun. > Now I am equalled to you by Sri Sharma and I am now receiving the ultimate > gutter posts from him.I am proud to be equalled to the seniormost IRS > officer.I failed in the written test itself. > I have to thank Sri Sharma for equalling me with an IRS officer by > dragging both of us into the gutter.It is for the moderator to decide > whether he wants the group to be put into the gutter. > YM Sarma > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 8:59 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> ‘Glory to the twin poets whose names are lost in the morass of time, but >> whose message brings strength and peace in a thousand streams to the doors >> of millions of men and women even to this day, and incessantly carries silt >> from long-past centuries and keeps fresh and fertile the soul of India’. - >> RABINDRANATH TAGORE >> >> >> >> THE CONCEPT OF “ORIGINAL WRITING” >> >> The concept of "original writing" can be quite nuanced, especially when >> it comes to religious texts. Writers, in general, can be considered >> original if they create new ideas, stories, or expressions that haven't >> been written before. However, many works, including religious texts, often >> include references, quotes, or reinterpretations of older traditions, >> teachings, or scriptures. >> >> In the case of religious texts, it depends on the tradition and context: >> >> Originality in Religious Texts: Many religious texts claim to be >> divinely inspired or revelations from a higher power, so their >> "originality" is often framed in the sense of being a new message or >> guidance that hadn't been conveyed before, at least in that form. For >> example, the Quran presents itself as a revelation received by the Prophet >> Muhammad, and it is regarded as a new, original scripture, even though it >> references earlier religious traditions like Judaism and Christianity. >> >> Quoting or Referencing: Religious texts often draw upon earlier >> scriptures, oral traditions, or teachings. For instance, the Bible includes >> numerous references to earlier texts, such as the Torah, and quotes from >> other sources. Many spiritual teachings are built upon a foundation of >> what came before, adapting or elaborating on existing ideas. In the context >> of writing religious texts, quoting or referencing earlier scriptures is >> not seen as a lack of originality, but as a continuation or clarification >> of divine teachings. (I AM NOT DISCUSSING AS VEDAS BECAUSE, IT IS NOT >> EXCLUSIVE ONLY TO VEDAS; AND IN THE PLACES OF QURAN, BIBLE ETC, VEDAS MAY >> BE SUBSTITUTED ALSO, AS SUO-MOTTO THE REPETITIONS ARE ONLY A REPEATED >> WORDS OF ANCIENT TEXTS DESCRIBED BY THE TREATISERS OR JUST FORWARD ONLY; >> ONLY RARELY AVIV KISS MAY WRITE THEIR OWN VEDAS AND UPANISHADS , >> EZHUTHAXHANS AAND TIRUKKURAL ON THEIR OWN; BUT A LEARNED CAN NEVER DO SO) >> >> Contextual Creation: Writers of religious texts may also engage in >> original commentary or interpretation based on their understanding of >> spiritual truths. They might write in ways that speak to the needs or >> experiences of their specific time and place, making those writings >> relevant to their audience while staying grounded in the larger tradition. >> {And understanding is not as one wishes but only that truth, which cannot >> differ than ADI SHANKARA like) >> >> So, while religious texts may include quotations or references, the act >> of creating a religious text can still be seen as an original act in terms >> of how it conveys or interprets spiritual concepts, offers new insights, >> or shares unique visions. In essence, originality in religious writing can >> coexist with the tradition of quoting or referencing earlier sources. {And >> where the concept is defined already, new haphazard interpretations will be >> given only by the avivekis and not by the learned) >> >> >> >> So pure original writings are what exactly? >> >> Pure original writing refers to works that are entirely new in terms of >> content, >> structure, and ideas, without directly copying or referencing existing >> works. In this sense, it involves creating something that hasn’t been >> expressed or seen before. However, it’s important to note that pure >> originality doesn’t always mean the complete absence of influence. >> Writers are often inspired by previous works, cultural context, personal >> experiences, or universal themes, but the way they express these ideas is >> uniquely their own. >> >> Here’s a breakdown of what pure original writing could involve: >> >> 1. Completely New Ideas or Concepts: >> >> The writer invents new themes, characters, or worldviews that haven't >> been explored before. For example, in fiction, it could be a completely new >> world or a new interpretation of an existing idea. In philosophy, it might >> involve a novel theory or worldview. (How can Vedas and Upanishads be >> better interpreted than Adi shankara or Sivananda or krishnananda or >> Chinmaya who dwelt deep into? We all can only learn something out of them >> rather than assuming erroneous statements like that of the avivekis.) >> >> 2. Unique Voice and Style: >> >> The writer’s voice or way of telling a story is distinctive. This could >> involve the use of a new narrative technique, language, or literary >> devices. For instance, the stream-of-consciousness style pioneered by >> writers like James Joyce is a unique approach that wasn't borrowed directly >> from previous works. >> >> 3. Innovative Structure: >> >> The writer may play with or break traditional structures of writing, >> creating something new in terms of how the work is organized. Think of how >> non-linear storytelling (like in movies such as Memento) was groundbreaking >> when it was first popularized. >> >> 4. Cultural or Philosophical Contributions: >> >> Writers may offer a completely new perspective or approach to >> interpreting the world, society, or human nature. This could be through >> creating new literary forms or philosophies that were not previously >> articulated. For example, a novel approach to understanding the human >> psyche or social dynamics. {But Vedas stotra and Upanishads are not >> presented anew, different from those rendered by the sages; can any one >> write over originally than Kanchi Periyava? It will be a stupidity that can >> be contemplated only by few avivekis) >> >> 5. Creative Synthesis: Sometimes originality is a result of >> synthesizing existing ideas in a new way. The writer could take concepts >> from different fields, genres, or traditions and combine them in an >> innovative manner to create something fresh. For example, blending science >> fiction with philosophical themes in a way that had never been done before. >> >> Examples of Pure Original Writing: >> >> Literature: A groundbreaking novel like 1984 by George Orwell introduced >> original political ideas and dystopian imagery. >> >> Philosophy: The original ideas of a philosopher like Friedrich Nietzsche >> or Jean-Paul Sartre created new paradigms of thinking about existence and >> morality. (ALDOUX HUXELY WROTE HIS COMMENTARIES OF WHAT WERE WRITTEN BY >> THEM EXPLAINING HIS INTERPRETATIONS WHICH BECAME THE POINTS OF ARGUMENTS >> LATER SINCE INTERPRETATIONS WERE AGAINST THE TEACHINGS) >> >> Art: In a creative sense, works like Pablo Picasso’s invention of Cubism >> could be seen as pure original "writing" in the visual arts. (I added Our >> scriptures later down below) {So also cubism later changed into many other >> art forms descending down to modern arts whose paintings are partly >> relished by a part crowd) >> >> >> >> Are There Truly "Pure" Originals? >> >> It’s debatable whether anything is completely original, as all writing is >> influenced by prior knowledge, experiences, and culture. Even the most >> innovative works tend to emerge from a particular historical, social, or >> intellectual context. In this sense, while something can be highly >> original, it’s nearly impossible for any work to be entirely without any >> influence or reference to previous knowledge. >> >> So, pure original writing is about introducing something novel in terms >> of thought, style, and perspective that hasn’t been expressed in that >> particular way before. It's often a matter of the degree of innovation >> rather than total absence of influence. {and that is the style I follow >> where any article of mine other than the extracts from texts I read and >> relished, had my inking and avivekis version of forward is not only >> unnecessary but infructuous as they can never find anywhere in the web >> sites; I follow my books I read and it is instant since it is in my >> thoughts lingering; no one will be able to produce instantly unless knew >> already; and people who are following QUORA may not understand these} >> >> >> >> are Quora write ups pure originals? or to what extent of percentage >> they are >> >> Quora write-ups, like many online discussions and user-generated content, >> vary widely in terms of originality. While some responses can be highly >> original, others may rely heavily on existing knowledge, popular opinions, >> or previously stated facts. Let’s break down the extent to which Quora >> write-ups can be considered "pure originals": >> >> 1. Highly Original Content: Personal Experiences: If someone shares >> a personal story, unique perspective, or insight based on their life, >> skills, or profession, this can be considered highly original. These kinds >> of write-ups are often based on the individual's unique experiences, which >> cannot be directly copied or found elsewhere. >> >> Creative or Innovative Solutions: If someone offers a new or innovative >> way of solving a problem, a fresh perspective on a commonly discussed >> topic, or a unique theory, that can also be highly original. >> >> >> >> 2. Less Original Content (Common Knowledge or References): >> >> Factual Information: Many Quora responses simply summarize or explain >> common knowledge, such as scientific facts, historical events, or general >> advice. These write-ups may not be considered original because they are >> based on widely available, pre-existing information. >> >> Citations or References: A lot of answers on Quora might cite books, >> articles, or other experts’ opinions, or paraphrase content from known >> sources. These answers are not considered "purely original" because they >> rely on established knowledge. >> >> >> >> 3. Hybrid Responses (Mix of Original Thought and Common Knowledge): >> >> Many Quora write-ups blend personal insights with existing knowledge. For >> example, someone might explain a scientific concept with a personal >> anecdote or share a commonly known fact while offering their own analysis >> or opinion. These responses can be considered semi-original because they >> present the information in a new context or through an individual’s lens. >> >> >> >> To What Extent Are Quora Write-Ups Original? >> >> It's hard to pinpoint an exact percentage of originality for Quora >> write-ups since the platform hosts a wide range of content, from very >> original responses to regurgitated facts. However, here are some broad >> trends: >> >> Personal Stories or Experiences: These are likely 100% original, as they >> come from an individual’s life and cannot be found elsewhere. >> >> Expert Knowledge or Advice: If an expert provides their own analysis or >> insight, it’s somewhat original, but still grounded in established >> knowledge. This might be 60-70% original, depending on how much new >> interpretation or unique advice is offered. >> >> Summary of Existing Knowledge: Many responses on Quora are essentially >> paraphrases or summaries of commonly known information. These responses >> might be 30-40% original, as they rely on existing knowledge or common >> facts. >> >> Citations and Quoting: If a response is largely quoting or citing other >> sources, the originality can be quite low, maybe 10-20% original, depending >> on how much personal interpretation or elaboration is added. >> >> >> >> Why Does This Matter? >> >> The level of originality on Quora (or any platform with user-generated >> content) often depends on the user’s approach to answering questions. >> Some people focus on offering their own unique perspectives or experiences, >> while others might provide more textbook-style responses or summarize >> knowledge from elsewhere. >> >> In summary, Quora write-ups can be a mix of highly original content >> (particularly when based on personal experience or new insights) and less >> original content (when based on common knowledge or external sources). The >> percentage of originality can vary significantly depending on the nature of >> the response. >> >> >> >> So in literatures of ancient culture other than ancient treatises, >> modern write ups are originals only to an extent and in minority content >> only it is original >> >> Yes, you’re right in your observation that in literature, especially from >> ancient cultures, modern write-ups or interpretations are often original >> only to an extent, and the original content tends to be in the minority. >> This is because much of modern literature, particularly in historical or >> philosophical contexts, builds upon earlier works, traditions, and ideas. >> Let's break this down further: >> >> 1. Ancient Texts and Treatises: >> >> Originality of Ancient Texts: Ancient literature, such as the Epic of >> Gilgamesh, Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, the Vedas, the Bible, or >> philosophical treatises like those of Plato and Aristotle, often >> represented revolutionary or foundational ideas of their time. These >> works were highly original in their contexts because they introduced new >> ways of thinking, writing, and interpreting the world, religion, politics, >> and human nature. >> >> Purpose and Context: Many ancient texts served specific functions, like >> recording myths, religious teachings, or governing principles. They were >> original in the sense that they expressed unique worldviews or spiritual >> revelations, but they also reflected earlier traditions and oral histories. >> Even in early religious writings, you often see influences or references to >> older myths or cultural narratives. >> >> 2. Modern Write-Ups Based on Ancient Texts: >> >> Modern Interpretations or Retellings: When modern writers engage with >> ancient texts, their work tends to be a reinterpretation or >> reinterpretation of ancient ideas, adapted for contemporary audiences. For >> instance, modern writers may re-examine or offer new perspectives on >> ancient philosophies or retell ancient myths with new insights or through >> modern cultural lenses. >> >> Example: Retellings of Myths: Writers like Margaret Atwood in The >> Penelope offer modern reimagining’s of the story of Penelope from the >> Odyssey, giving voice to characters who were originally marginalized. >> {Greek literature cited since Indian texts are cited later} >> >> Example: Modern Philosophy or Political Thought: Contemporary thinkers >> often base their ideas on classical Greek or Roman philosophy but will >> either apply these ideas to modern issues or adapt them in new ways. For >> instance, existential philosophy in the 20th century drew on ideas from >> ancient Greek thinkers, especially the Stoics. >> >> Synthesis Rather than Pure Originality: While modern writers may >> synthesize ancient ideas into something new, this synthesis is not often >> purely original. Instead, it's an adaptation or transformation based on >> existing >> knowledge, culture, or established texts. The "original" parts of modern >> works are typically in how they interpret, adapt, or make connections >> between ancient and contemporary ideas. >> >> 3. Extent of Originality in Modern Reinterpretations: >> >> Minority of Original Content: In many cases, the truly original >> contributions in modern works based on ancient texts tend to be in the >> minority, as most of the content is derived from pre-existing knowledge, >> interpretations, and traditions. For instance, a modern writer’s insights >> may offer new readings of ancient texts, but the core ideas, characters, or >> structures come from earlier works. >> >> Example: When modern scholars or writers engage with an ancient text like >> the Iliad or the Bhagavad Gita, they are usually interpreting it, offering >> critical analysis, or applying its themes to current issues. The >> originality often lies in how these ideas are recontextualized for the >> present rather than in the creation of entirely new ideas. >> >> >> >> 4. Modern Scholarly Work: >> >> Historical Analysis and Scholarship: Modern scholars who write about >> ancient cultures and texts—whether historical, literary, or >> philosophical—may add original interpretations based on new evidence, >> theories, or methodologies. However, their writing is often heavily >> dependent on primary sources, and they are usually offering original >> insights within the framework of existing knowledge. >> >> Originality in Modern Context: In literature or philosophy, modern >> writers might propose new interpretations, criticisms, or applications of >> ancient ideas, but those ideas are still fundamentally rooted in the works >> of past thinkers. As such, they are original only to an extent and often >> form part of a continuing conversation with the ancient texts. >> >> >> >> 5. Cultural Influence and Continuity: >> >> Cultural Evolution: Much of modern writing reflects a continuity of >> cultural and intellectual traditions that have been passed down from >> earlier periods. Writers, artists, and philosophers are often influenced by >> the works of their ancestors. Thus, even when there is originality, it is >> often within the framework of established traditions, and very little in >> the way of completely novel ideas is introduced. >> >> Example: In literature, themes like love, power, fate, and morality have >> been explored in ancient texts, and modern writers may take these themes >> and present them in new forms, but they are often still operating within >> the conceptual boundaries set by ancient works. >> >> Many pieces of modern Indian literature draw inspiration >> from the epics (Ramayana and Mahabharata) and Vedic stories, influencing >> themes, characters, and narratives in various forms, from novels to poetry. >> >> Here's a more detailed explanation: >> >> Influence of Epics: >> >> The Ramayana and Mahabharata, two of the greatest literary and cultural >> works of ancient India, continue to exert a significant influence on modern >> literature, art, and culture. >> >> They are not just historical narratives but also sources of moral and >> philosophical lessons, which are often explored in contemporary works. >> >> Modern Indian writers often reinterpret and re-imagine these stories, >> exploring different aspects of the characters and themes. >> >> Influence of Vedic Literature: >> >> The Vedas, particularly the Rigveda, are a rich source of philosophical >> and religious ideas that have shaped Indian thought and culture. >> >> Vedic literature, including the Vedas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and >> Upanishads, is a source of knowledge about the Vedic era and the Aryans. >> >> Modern Indian writers often draw inspiration from the Vedic texts, >> exploring themes of dharma, karma, and the nature of reality. >> >> Examples of Modern Indian Literature Inspired by Epics and Vedas: >> >> Novels: >> >> "A Suitable Boy" by Vikram Seth, which explores themes of love, family, >> and tradition, draws inspiration from the Mahabharata. >> >> "Godan" by Munshi Premchand, which deals with social issues, also >> reflects the values and conflicts found in the epics. >> >> Poetry: >> >> "Rashmirathi" by Ramdhari Singh Dinkar, which is a collection of poems >> inspired by the Mahabharata, explores themes of war, duty, and destiny. >> >> "Madhushala" by Harivansh Rai Bachchan, which is a collection of poems >> inspired by the Vedic tradition, explores themes of love, life, and death. >> >> Plays: >> >> "Gunahon Ka Devta" by Dharamvir Bharati, which is a play based on the >> Ramayana, explores themes of love, duty, and sacrifice. >> >> "Tamas" by Bhisham Sahni, which is a play based on the Mahabharata, >> explores themes of war, family, and destiny. >> >> The influence of the epics and Vedic literature on modern Indian >> literature is undeniable. >> >> These ancient texts continue to be a source of inspiration for writers, >> artists, and thinkers in India, shaping the cultural landscape of the >> country. >> >> There is a strong argument that much of modern >> literature builds upon existing ideas, themes, and styles rather than being >> purely original. Many writers draw inspiration from past works, >> historical events, and cultural traditions. This doesn’t mean that >> everything is a direct reproduction, but rather that literature is an >> evolving conversation across time. On the other hand, literature is deeply >> interwoven with history, and much of what we read today is built on past >> works. This does not mean mere repetition but rather reinterpretation, >> homage, or intertextuality. Reproduction can be seen in: >> >> Retellings and Adaptations – Many modern works are based on mythologies, >> historical events, or classic stories (Shakespeare’s Hamlet is influenced >> by Scandinavian tales). Postmodern and Meta-Narratives – Many contemporary >> authors acknowledge past works, weaving them into their stories, sometimes >> even breaking the fourth. Intertextuality and Cultural Echoes – Writers >> knowingly or unknowingly borrow motifs, archetypes, and literary devices >> from their predecessors. Even the most “original” works often have roots in >> older traditions. Literature is both a continuation of the past and a space >> for new creation. Every great writer absorbs influences but transforms them >> into something meaningful and personal. Even when stories are retold, they >> gain new life through different cultural lenses, historical contexts, and >> unique authorial voices. >> >> >> >> So, is literature mostly reproduction? >> >> It depends on how we define reproduction. If it means repetition without >> change, then no, literature is not mere reproduction. But if we see >> reproduction as an ongoing dialogue with the past, then yes—literature is >> an evolving cycle of influence, reinterpretation, and innovation. >> >> Influence on Indian literature : The Ramayana and >> the Mahabharata have exerted great influence on Indian literature. The >> series of narrative poems based on the Ramayana and the Mahabharata are >> common to all the languages of India. The Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil, the >> Ranganatha Ramayana and the Bhaskara Ramayana, Molla Ramayana in Telugu, >> the pampa Ramayana in Kannada, the Adhyatma Ramayana of Ezhuthachan in >> Malayalam, the Rama katha of Moro pant in Marathi, the Krittibas >> Ramayana in Bengali, the Ramayana of Madhava Kandali in Assamese, the >> Bilanka Ramayana of Sarala Das and the famous Ramayana of Balaram Das in >> Oriya, and the Ramacharitmanas of Tulsi Das, Saket by mathilisharan >> Gupta, Ramachandrika and Vaidehi Vanavas by Ayodhya Singh Upadhyay >> Hariaudh in modern times in Hindi are beads of same rosary. Similarly, the >> poetic narratives based on the Mahabharata are spread over the whole >> country: in Telugu three ancient poets Nannaya, Tikkana and Errana >> completed the Mahabharata, in Kannada the Mahabharata of Pampa and Kumara, >> Vyasa are very famous and in Malayalam the Mahabharata or Eluttaccan is in >> a way more original and complete than his Ramayana itself. In Marathi, >> Shridhar wrote the Pandava Pratap but that is not quite remarkable; in >> Bengali there were about thirty renderings of the Mahabharata in the17th >> and 18th centuries of which the Mahabharata of Kashi ram is easily the >> best, in Assamese Rama Saraswati composed several Vadha-Kavyas based on the >> Mahabharata, in Oriya the famous Mahabharata poet is the great Saraladas >> who is known in Odisha as the ‘ Utkal Vyas ‘, in Punjabi Krishnalal >> produced a verse-translation, and in Hindi the Mahabharata of Gokul Nath >> etc, in the later medieval age and jaya Bharat of Mathilisharan Gupta and >> Kurukshetra of Ramdharisingh Dinkar in modern times are works of permanent >> literary merit. Influence of Ramayana: The greatness of Ramayana seems >> to lie in the appeal it has to the head and heart of the common folk as >> well as the elite and the intellectuals. There is so much to learn from the >> Ramayana on good conduct e.g. the relationship between parents and >> children, husband and wife, how brothers should conduct themselves etc. >> Friendship is yet another matter on which the Ramayana has so much to say. >> Likewise, there is abundant enlightenment in the great epic on the art of >> good Governance. The Ramayana is indeed a grand treatise on personal >> qualities and conduct. Again, the Ramayana places before us the ideal of a >> harmonious pursuit of the four principal goals of life, namely: - Dharma >> (righteousness and duty) Arth (material prosperity) Kama (legitimate sex >> and their pleasures) Moksha (liberation of soul) >> >> Such is the manifold greatness of Ramayana. It is truly an >> epic of eternal interest and enlightenment. These are the tenets of Indian >> life from ages till today. Ramayana has indeed influenced and affected the >> way of life in India, it exerts its influence across the faiths and >> beliefs. Ramayana defines the social values, family bondages and duties of >> every family member in a commune. Indian way of life has been, from >> centuries an assimilated and collective way of living with parent and >> children generations living together, sharing every happiness and sorrow, >> along with achievements and failures. The Indian way of life is the >> holistic and collective form of life. Ramayana inspires the modern >> generation also, however today, the socio-cultural ethos has shifted to the >> globalized and self-centric way of living. Ramayana defines the institution >> of marriage as the most sacred in Indian way of life, the relationship of a >> married couple is eternal and beyond one life. This has been widely >> accepted in the Indian way of life and is being practiced even today. >> Influence of Mahabharata: The Mahabharata is the oldest epic in world >> history, except the Ramayana which was composed a few centuries earlier. >> More ingeniously conceived than the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Mahabharata >> stands out as a marvel of creative imagination, composed by the sage Veda >> Vyasa about 2000 BC. It depicts almost every conceivable human emotion, >> love and hate, forgiveness and revenge, truthfulness and falsehood, >> celibacy and promiscuity, commitment and betrayal, magnanimity and greed. >> But what is most remarkable about Vyas’s genius is the uncompromising >> integrity in presenting the baffling complexities of human existence in its >> contradictions and coherences. Since the Mahabharata is a unique work of >> art, it transcends the limits of time and space. Although it speaks to >> every epoch in its own language, it carries significant relevance to our >> age, in view of our concerns with such issues as social justice, >> partitioning of a state as political expediency, women empowerment, and the >> games that politicians play. One need not engage oneself in any >> scholarly discourse as to whether or not this epic is historically >> authentic, what is important to note is its impact on all those who visit, >> even today, Kurukshetra, a small town in north India, and imagine, the >> ground there still stained with the blood of the warriors who were killed >> in the eighteen-day war, thousands of years ago. The Mahabharata or the >> Great Epic is held to be the fifth Veda. The Bhagavad Gita finds a place in >> this stupendous record of human activities, aspirations and achievements. >> Chapters twenty-five to forty-two of the Bhishma parva of the Mahabharata >> constitute this immortal discourse in eighteen sub-chapters consisting of >> seven hundred verses. Among modern scholars there are those who hold that >> the Bhagavad Gita is an interpolation in the Mahabharata. But the internal >> evidence does not bear any testimony to this contention. Both in diction >> and in development of the subject there is homogeneity running all through. >> The philosophy of the Gita explained and expanded, becomes the Mahabharata. >> Conversely, Mahabharata condensed into philosophy, becomes Gita. What the >> heart is to the human body, so is the Gita to this great epic. Hence any >> attempt to trace a separate origin to the song celestial serves no >> purpose. >> >> Whether Kamba Ramayana is original and if not, why >> is he praised? >> >> The Kamba Ramayanam, also known as Kamban's Ramayana, is a Tamil version >> of the Ramayana that was written by the poet Kamban, believed to have lived >> in the 12th century. While the Kamba Ramayanam is based on the Sanskrit >> Ramayana of Valmiki, Kamban made several modifications and adaptations to >> suit the Tamil culture and his artistic style. >> >> >> >> Originality of the Kamba Ramayanam: >> >> Not an original story: The Kamba Ramayanam is indeed based on the >> Ramayana written by Valmiki, so it is not an entirely original creation of >> Kamban. The primary plot, characters, and events are drawn directly from >> the Valmiki Ramayana. However, Kamban's rendition is considered highly >> original in terms of its literary quality, poetic form, and Tamil cultural >> context. >> >> >> >> Kamban's contribution: Kamban’s work is praised for its poetic beauty, >> elaborate descriptions, and artistic depth. While the core narrative >> remains similar to Valmiki’s version, Kamban’s brilliance lies in his >> ability to present the story in a way that resonates with Tamil audiences, >> adding local legends, interpretations, and nuances that make it distinct >> from the original. >> >> >> >> Why Kamban is praised: >> >> Poetic Excellence: Kamban is celebrated for his exceptional mastery over >> Tamil poetry. He used intricate meters and employed a rich and ornate style >> that elevated the Ramayana to new literary heights. His work is known for >> its beautiful and melodious language, which contributed to the popularity >> of Tamil literature. >> >> >> >> Deep Devotion and Bhakti: Kamban’s retelling reflects his intense >> devotion to Lord Rama. His work is imbued with the bhakti (devotional) >> spirit, which was central to the Tamil religious context of the time. His >> verses often express reverence for Lord Rama in a way that appeals >> emotionally to the readers. >> >> >> >> Cultural and Artistic Adaptations: Kamban adapted the story to better >> suit the Tamil ethos, including changes in character depictions, local >> mythology, and the narrative's moral and spiritual lessons. His Kamba >> Ramayanam not only followed Valmiki's framework but also integrated Tamil >> sensibilities and cultural elements, making it a significant part of Tamil >> literature. >> >> >> >> Influence on Tamil Literature: Kamban’s Ramayanam is considered one of >> the greatest epics of Tamil literature. His influence on later Tamil >> writers and poets is profound, and his work is still studied and revered in >> Tamil literary circles. >> >> >> >> Moral and Philosophical Depth: Kamban’s version of the Ramayana often >> highlights the philosophical and ethical aspects of the story. The way he >> portrays the characters, especially Rama, Sita, Ravana, and others, >> reflects his understanding of dharma (righteousness) and karma (action), >> providing >> a more nuanced interpretation of the original story. >> >> In Conclusion: Yes, when considering modern write-ups >> based on ancient cultures, originality is often limited, especially in >> terms of content that is completely new and independent of prior works. >> While modern writers can bring fresh perspectives, the vast majority of >> their work tends to be reinterpreting, adapting, or synthesizing ideas from >> earlier periods, making the truly original contributions relatively rare >> and more likely to be found in new insights or applications rather than in >> fundamental ideas or concepts. Thus, the originality of modern works based >> on ancient texts or traditions is indeed often in the minority compared to >> the extensive reuse of existing material. >> >> >> >> NB: Even after reading the 80% original with the research quotes and >> extracts 20%, if foolish observers still persist, had to ignore the >> countable who have the least brains. >> >> K RAJARAM 26325 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 at 19:43, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Respected Mr. Sharma, >>> >>> Though last few lines are harsh, *I admire the first six paragraphs of >>> your posting*. Thank you for your good words on me and about Mr. >>> Narayanaswamy. >>> >>> Mr Markandeyalu bracketing me with Mr. Narayanaswamy and yourself, I am >>> really proud of -being associated with two *learnt* men. >>> >>> Pinpointing a harsh mail does not in any manner affect the learning and >>> culture of a person Like you. They have not gone through or ignored your >>> excellent postings. >>> >>> *Surely your point is correct- Bracketing Mr. Markandeyalu with Mr. >>> Rajaram*. >>> >>> Mr. Rajaram has least courtesy to *intimate forwards as forwards*. >>> There is no point in appreciating Mr. Rajaram *who forward irrelevant >>> matter* in response to original postings of him. I have pointed out >>> this point to Mr. Markandeyalu many times. >>> >>> Where as *I have no harsh feelings but only very good thinking on Mr >>> Markandeyalu,* I least appreciate his appreciating irrelevant forwards >>> as response by Mr. Rajaram. >>> >>> Day is not far off Mr. Markadeyalu understand the true color of Mr. >>> Rajaram. >>> >>> Mr Sharma, *please avoid harsh language. * >>> >>> Gopalakrishnan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 25 March, 2025 at 06:28:25 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> *You are considering with the lowest of the low son of a whore, a >>> castrated eunuch harlot* >>> >>> *Ask my why. I've been connected with the Iyer 123 group for almost two >>> decades. But since 2011 i stopped writing but continued following the >>> various threads. I held and continued to hold almost every contributor in >>> high esteem. One of the outstanding, in fact the most outstanding among >>> them was and is Brahmashri Narayanaswamy Iyer, whose credentials as a >>> scholar, a communicator, jurist and wordsmith par excellence are >>> unparalleled..* >>> >>> *And, i may confess, i am yet to come across a gentleman as gentlemanly, >>> polite, cultured, sophisticated and refined as Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji* >>> >>> *And, then this lump of pompous, braggart of a lump of shit, emerges >>> like a maggot in swine shit and hurls Tamil invectives at both Shri >>> Narayanaseamyb Anna and the gentle, soft spoken Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji. * >>> >>> *While Shri Narayanaswany Anna countered the whoreson eunuch Rajaram >>> robustly and gave the bastard a taste of his own shit, Gopalakrishnan-ji >>> suffered silently.* >>> >>> *It was at this point, around 8 months ago that i intervened. At first i >>> responded very politely, patiently and oersuasively but to no avail. The >>> whoreson latrine cleaner Roger Rum, didn't desist from abusing >>> Gopalakrishnan -ji but, started spitting stinking shit at me too* >>> >>> *It was than I lost my composure and started kicking the castrated >>> bastard RogerRum in the butt * >>> >>> *And, without knowing the background, while the Thenfmkakai Thevudiya >>> Pundai was being hauled through his own shit, you* >>> * Mariada-Yeddala-Pundai , salivating after tge bastards stinking butt, >>> butted in , andcame in the line of fire* >>> >>> *Why in mithrtfuckin hell do you have to side with this whoreson of a >>> eunuch whore? Is he lending You his arse to enable you to satiate your >>> depravity?* >>> >>> *You have accused Shri Gopalakrishnan of getting bracketed with Shri >>> Narayanswamy Anna and me. But you Gulti Andhra-Vadu that's exactly what >>> you're doing .. bracketing yourself with a mother fucking eunuch whore* >>> *son of a strumpet a by product of incest born out of a quickie beteeen >>> his mother and his grandpa in a chennai slum lavatory * >>> >>> *Please don't tangje with peaceful people like Shri Gopalakrishnan - ji. >>> We'll guck the daylights out of you and your lover - eunuch* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1797629034.1070474.1742912019038%40mail.yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1797629034.1070474.1742912019038%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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