Nandru. A few days back only I wrote about that person from the sincity, who did not or could not distinguish, between the chekku and sivalingam; today he revealed it; Mahabharatham spoke about it, and so it is great; and bereft of knowhow pattis of hisplace may not know better than chukkumilagutippili is evident. Also I wrote about the Psychological factors of these people who behave awkwardly. When a 98 loses his balance where his bluffings are blown, it is natural, one can expect only such write ups. Of Course he is a redundant recluse or a loose Lets forgive him. Have a nice time C.M R IRS 10225
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 13:31, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > What is so special about "*Ganga jalam Keshava naari ketu*" being split > into "Gangaja lamkesha vana ari ketu"? > > For centuries, Brahmin women living in Palakkaad have been circulating the > joke of the mother-in-law ordering her newly-wed daughter-in-law to go to > the provision shop nearby and buy three items. > She wrote the items down as "*chukkumulakuthippili*". > > The daughter-in-law went to the shop and read out the items she needed for > her mother-in-law as "*chukkumu, lakuthip, pili*." > > The shopkeeper could not make head or tail of what the young lady wanted. > So he called his grand-daughter who was studying in Standard IV. > > The child took one look, and promptly translated the shopping list > correctly. > > When I was in Std.IV in pre-war Malaya, the class teacher wrote on the > blackboard the expression:- > > THAT THAT IS IS THAT THAT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT THAT IT > > and asked us what that meant. > > A young Chettiar lad in the class went up boldly and punctuated it, as > follows:- > > *THAT, THAT IS, IS; THAT, THAT IS NOT, IS NOT; IS NOT THAT IT?* > > We all clapped. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 11:07 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ganga jalam Keshava naari ketu >> >> >> >> Mahabharat is a massive work in the Sanskrit language. It is the >> biography of the Pandava brothers. Vyasa, the composer of this work, sought >> a scribe who could keep pace with the speed of his dictation. Ganesh, the >> Deva of the intellect, agreed to be the scribe. However, he placed one >> condition. Per this condition, Vyasa had to dictate at the speed of >> Ganesh’s writing. Vyasa countered this with another condition. Ganesh could >> scribe a verse only after fully understanding it. As a result, Vyasa >> composed the Mahabharat in chunks of a few hundred verses. He dictated a >> verse with a “knot, a difficult to understand verse at the end of each >> chunk. This forced Ganesh had to pause and understand the verse. Vyasa thus >> mentally began composing the next chunk. Surely, anyone who knows >> Mahabharat also knows about the “knots” in the text. >> >> The narrator quoted a sensible looking sentence from Vyasa’s >> Mahabharat It reads गङ्गा जलं केशव नारि केतु (Ganga jalam Keshava naari >> ketu). Every word in this sentence is meaningful. The sentence makes no >> sense despite the sentence being syntactically correct. The word boundaries >> have to be changed to understand the meaning of the line. This knot >> definitely forces a reader to pause. >> >> Pitamaha Bhishma standing by his side responds, in Vyasa’s words: >> >> ‘Gangajalam keshava naari ketu’ >> >> Four words totally unrelated to each other! What sense to make out of >> them? >> >> Gangajalam = water of River Ganges; keshava = a name given to god Vishnu; >> naari = woman; ketu = a planetary god. >> >> Of course, Vinayaka figured it out not before giving Vyasa a much-needed >> respite. Here’s how: >> >> Ganga ja: One Ganges gave birth to = Bhishma; >> >> lam kesha = lankesha = Ravana, King of Lanka; >> >> vana ari = one who destroyed the vana (Ashoka vana where Sita was held >> captive) >> >> ketu = flag; >> >> Now it reads as: Bhishma (said): It’s one who has on his flag one who >> destroyed Ravana’s vana = It’s one who has Aanjaneya on his flag = Arjuna. >> >> So it was Arjuna on a chariot driven by the young prince of Virata! >> >> Vyasa inserted knots in his Mahabharat to slow slow down Ganesh >> who had the role of a scribe. >> >> Vyasa inserted knots in his text to make a reader pause and think >> >> Similarity between Vyasa and the Siddhars >> >> Siddhars wrote their works in the Tamil language. They borrowed the idea >> of a knot from Vyasa’s Mahabharat and used them generously. In fact, One >> finds very few sentences in Siddhar texts without a knot, Firstly, a >> translator must locate meaningful word boundaries. In other words, he must >> untie knots in the Siddhar text. Secondly, he must locate words which >> Siddhars consider to be technical terms. Such words conventionally mean one >> thing but something different in Siddhar texts. Siddhar texts describe a) >> pharmacopeia preparations, b) ideas related to sorcery, and c) descriptions >> of spiritual techniques. Therefore, many words can take a contextual >> meaning based on the domain of knowledge. Siddhar Agasthiyar composed a >> text which explains such idiosyncrasies in Siddhar texts. It had fun >> discovering a few such idiosyncrasies while translating Agasthiyars text. >> >> K Rajaram IRS 10225 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]> >> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 22:29 >> Subject: Fwd: Maha Bharatha (4) >> To: Patty Thatha <[email protected]>, Gopalakrishnan V < >> [email protected]>, Devarajan Subramaniam <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]> >> *Date:* February 9, 2025 at 8:57:52 AM PST >> *To:* Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* *Maha Bharatha (4)* >> >> This is the final section! If it is required by you , i would be glad >> to give the hidden meaning aswel! >> Sridharan >> Sage Dhrona said loudly, >> >> GANGA. JAlAN. KESAVA NAARI KETHU. >> None in the Kaurava army except >> Pithamaha. 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