There is a poor moderator who lacks judgement but often writes about crossposting; any idea what is meant by that ?; there are direct, C C and BCC in all emails; and the post will go only to the marked email. The funny word used GUTTER -POST emanates only in iyer 123 and in all other groups people are decent. And what does he mean by cerossposting? Means those west-maMBAlam gutter will flow to decent groups/ Gandhian thought an IAS paper? Got to be only a small, well poor moderator. Thank u KR IrS 7125
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 at 11:10, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know how many in the group have read those books particularly of > Brig. Dalvi as he is forthright in expressing his thoughts. He was captured > by the Chinese and was a POW for sometime before he was released by them as > part of the negotiated settlement. > > I read it more than 4 decades back and have a faint recollection of some > incidents which I will try to recapture and write here. > > He says that when he was captured, the Chinese Commanding Officer, whose > prisoner Brig. Dalvi was, told him that what infuriated the Chinese was > Nehru's irresponsible remark, ( I think he said it at the airport while > leaving for some official trip) that he has asked the Army to " throw out > the Chinese". > The proud Chinese took exception to this remark and wanted to teach a > lesson to Nehru to show they can't be thrown out just like that. > A careless and arrogant remark resulted in the Chinese feeling strongly to > teach a lesson to Nehru and we paid the price, according to his book. > > Gen Chaudhary I think, asked Dalvi to submit a report on his and his > troops capture and insultingly remarked (to Dalvi) so that we can learn " > how not to hand over a battalion to the enemy". > > To this Dalvi days he gave a fitting written report recalling how we were > totally unprepared, lacked arms and ammunition and even proper boots. > In that Chapter Dalvi says that his report must have touched some raw > nerves because he never heard anything from his General thereafter. > > It was a total misadventure and if people recall, Sardar Patel had > cautioned Nehru not to trust the chinese and get too close to them - this > was immediately after independence, at least a decade earlier before the > actual war. > > As usual Nehru ignored this sagely advice and the Nation had to pay a > heavy price for his innumerable follies, including Kashmir. > > Yet there are people in this country who can see, hear and speak no wrong > of that person. We did not deserve Patel and got what we deserved and have > paid a heavy price. > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 10:16 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I read it and I know why as a military man could not write the >> open sequential reasons; our Indian army, if given independent powers to >> decode, we do not have a better army than that. Too much intervention by >> the Indian dynasty rulers. Grandfather wanted them to drive away only and >> no victory of conquering the territory. How much fairness can be practiced >> in the war field? IN LOVE AND WAR THERE IS NOTHING KNOWN AS FAIRNESS. So we >> lost and not the General. The grandson in Sri Lanka did the same.IPKF. >> Intelligence gathering is interwoven with political interference. Serving >> Govt is tough; serving as senior officer with the govt is still tougher; >> and sp service without power is a piece of the toughest career. K R IRS 2125 >> >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 at 22:09, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> *From:* "N Sekar" <[email protected]> >>> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* "Kerala Iyer" <[email protected]>, "Rangarajan T.N.C." >>> <[email protected]>, "Mathangi K. Kumar" <[email protected]>, >>> "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]>, "Suryanarayana Ambadipudi" >>> <[email protected]>, "Srinivasan Sridharan" < >>> [email protected]>, "Rama (Iyer 123 Group)" < >>> [email protected]>, "Dr Sundar" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 9:35 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Snippets from Sitendra Kumar - 1962 War >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Of these I liked The Himalayan Blunder by Brig. Dalvi the most. >>> It must have ruffled many feathers. He himself says so in one chapter. >>> >>> Total lack of political leadership or should I say abdication by the >>> political bosses was the chief reason. >>> >>> We somehow as a Nation can't tolerate criticisms of the leadership >>> particularly of the Nehru family which nearly destroyed Bharat and Hindus. >>> Dalvi exposes those blunders. >>> >>> If we refuse to face facts and bury them under the carpet, we will never >>> learn from our mistakes and blunders. A confident Nation should have the >>> courage to face facts and where necessary, take remedial action. >>> >>> >>> N Sekar >>> >>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 8:08 PM, Chittanandam V R >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *Received from Shri Sitendra Kumar* >>> >>> * A taste of censorship during 1962 war* >>> >>> *Kulbir Singh* >>> >>> *IN October 1962, I was studying in Class III in my village school. My >>> father was in the Army. With the outbreak of tensions at the India-China >>> border, 9 Punjab Regiment was moved from Secunderabad to Tawang in >>> Arunachal Pradesh, then called NEFA (North East Frontier Agency). My family >>> became anxious on learning that my father had been sent to the war zone.* >>> >>> *In those days, the only source of news in the village was a panchayat >>> radio. The antenna was a wire mesh tied and spread between poles on the >>> rooftop. The speaker was strapped on a long bamboo pole to make the sound >>> audible to as many listeners as possible. As there was no supply of >>> electricity in our area, the radio operated on a dry battery for the >>> morning and evening news.* >>> *My family would listen to the war updates as we had hardly received any >>> letter from my father in recent weeks. The post office was 3 km away in the >>> adjoining village. The postman would visit our village only when he had >>> letters to deliver. My mother wanted me to go to the post office daily >>> after school. The foot track to that village was narrow and mostly remained >>> secluded. There was tall and dense vegetation all along. After school, I >>> would run to the post office.* >>> >>> *Most of the times, the postman would give a dejected look from a >>> distance. Once in a while, there was a letter for me. I would immediately >>> open it and try to read it, but found many lines blackened and the text >>> unreadable. I would ask the postman why some lines had been blackened; he >>> would tell me that the letter had been censored by the Army. Any >>> war-related information considered sensitive by the military authorities >>> was blackened; this process was called censorship. That is how I, a village >>> lad, learnt the meaning of ‘censor’. I would run back home with a sense of >>> achievement. The family would feel elated on getting some news about my >>> father.* >>> >>> *My grandfather, who served in the British Indian Army, would celebrate >>> with drinks in the evening. All these incidents got etched in my memory. I >>> got obsessed with the 1962 war and wanted to know more about it. I read The >>> Untold Story by Lt Gen BM Kaul while I was studying in Class XII. While >>> reading it, I would try to corroborate its contents with what my father had >>> told me. Later, during my career in the CRPF, I read 'Himalayan Blunder' by >>> Brig JP Dalvi, 'India’s China War' by Neville Maxwell and '1962: The War >>> That Wasn’t' by Shiv Kunal Verma.* >>> *I had long discussions with my dad, who would aptly sum up the reasons >>> for India’s defeat — unpreparedness, an inadequate and outdated weapon >>> system, troops ill-equipped for the severe winter, a lack of road >>> infrastructure and, most importantly, the failure of the military and >>> political leadership.* >>> *-- Kulbir Singh* >>> ******************************** >>> *Chittanandam* >>> >>> -- >>> To go to your groups page on the web, login to your gmail account and >>> then click on https://groups.google.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/274139649.7334004.1735747570191%40mail.yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/274139649.7334004.1735747570191%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqmc9bVWm%2BVOTFUuJDp7ExV8YvQB0qHEBM%2Bs0_u7JtSnA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqmc9bVWm%2BVOTFUuJDp7ExV8YvQB0qHEBM%2Bs0_u7JtSnA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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