Certainly,I am writing on the basis of what I read,all general books written in English.I have been adding my own to them.But your response to my ideas is very helpful and also reinforcing. YM
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 1:53 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > How could I answer the query? Without materials of some kinds of texts > read already one cannot write anything on their own at all. Even a story > teller, said to have narrated originally, cannot do so at all, without > something he visioned, heard or seen stored in those quarters, which gets > only OWN WORDS SHAPED. The limitation of OWN is the limit set on what was > in the top lid. So, what you write as your own is what you read as science > (non vedas of India) or which you are reading then and there and analyse, > change into your words (maybe few words and sentences are reproduced out of > impact) and drafted. New words are also coined from the old words learnt. > Thank you NB That is why I used to reply some elements who ignorantly said > copy and paste. K Rajaram IRS 221124 > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 11:21, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> I have been writing without reading any book and as a morning idea >> flash.You relate my writings to some Hindu Text about which I do not have >> even rudimentary idea.Often I cannot understand.Am I to understand that >> what I am writing is already written and also advanced as enlightening >> education?I just want to know. >> Thank you very much for your patience to read and respond, the hallmark >> of nobility and greatness with which I am not blessed. >> YM >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:11 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The intersection of fantasy and reality in life is often found in the >>> ways people imagine and create new possibilities, pushing the boundaries of >>> what is currently possible. This happens in various domains, such as: >>> >>> Innovation and Technology: Many technologies we use today were once >>> imagined as part of fantasy or science fiction. Concepts like flying cars, >>> virtual reality, and artificial intelligence have transitioned from >>> imaginative ideas to tangible realities. For example, early science fiction >>> novels speculated on space travel, and now humanity is exploring space >>> through initiatives like NASA and private companies like SpaceX. >>> >>> Art and Creativity: Fantasy becomes reality through artistic expression. >>> Whether in visual art, literature, music, or film, creators often blend >>> imaginative worlds with real-world themes, offering a reflection of human >>> desires, fears, or hopes. Fictional stories inspire change or influence >>> societal norms, as seen with works like "1984" or "Star Trek," which have >>> spurred really technological or philosophical developments. >>> >>> Personal Dreams and Goals: On a more personal level, people turn their >>> own fantasies and dreams into reality by setting goals, working toward >>> them, and overcoming challenges. Many achievements in life, whether >>> building a business, writing a book, or traveling the world, start as >>> imagined goals before they are realized through effort, creativity, and >>> persistence. >>> >>> Cultural Movements: Ideas that begin as fantastical ideals — such as >>> equality, freedom, or utopian visions — sometimes become the driving forces >>> behind real-world social change. The fantasy of a better society, which >>> once seemed unattainable, can spark movements that lead to significant >>> shifts in politics, laws, and everyday life. >>> >>> Imagination in Science: Some of the greatest scientific breakthroughs >>> begin as theoretical ideas or fantasies that challenge existing knowledge. >>> Einstein’s theory of relativity, for example, was initially a bold leap >>> into the unknown, but eventually became a cornerstone of modern physics, >>> proving that fantastical ideas can be the foundation of groundbreaking >>> discoveries. >>> >>> In essence, the boundary between fantasy and reality is not always >>> fixed. Fantasy often serves as the seed of innovation, and reality is >>> shaped and redefined by the imaginative ideas that arise from it. >>> >>> In the Vedic tradition, the concepts of dreams and >>> reality are explored in profound and often philosophical ways. The Vedas, >>> particularly the Upanishads, provide insights into the nature of the self >>> (Atman), the universe (Brahman), and the relationship between the two, >>> offering a framework through which dreams and reality can be understood. >>> >>> 1. The Nature of Reality (Brahman) >>> >>> In the Vedic worldview, ultimate reality is Brahman, the unchanging, >>> infinite, and formless essence that pervades all of existence. The Vedas >>> describe the material world and our everyday experiences as temporary and >>> transient, a manifestation of Brahman in its many forms. The material world >>> is seen as Maya, or illusion — an illusion of separation and duality that >>> veils the true nature of reality. >>> >>> 2. Dreams as a Reflection of Maya >>> >>> Dreams, in Vedic philosophy, are often considered a manifestation of the >>> illusory nature of the material world. They are like Maya, a world of >>> experience that seems real while occurring but is ultimately transient and >>> insubstantial. In this context, dreams represent the workings of the mind >>> and its perceptions of reality, which may not align with the ultimate truth >>> of Brahman. >>> >>> The famous passage from the Chandogya Upanishad reflects on the nature >>> of reality: >>> >>> "The world is the way one perceives it to be, like a dream. The dream >>> world is not fundamentally different from waking life, as both are >>> projections of the mind." >>> >>> 3. The Self (Atman) and the Dream State >>> >>> In the Upanishads, particularly in the Mandukya Upanishad, the concept >>> of the three states of consciousness (waking, dreaming, and deep sleep) is >>> explored in depth: >>> >>> Waking state (Jagrat): This is where we experience the world through the >>> senses.Dream state (Svapna): In this state, the mind creates its own world, >>> but it is not limited by the external physical reality. It is a state of >>> internal perception where the individual is the creator of their >>> experiences. >>> >>> Deep sleep state (Sushupti): In this state, there is no awareness of >>> either the external world or the internal world of dreams. This is seen as >>> a state of pure consciousness, where the individual experiences bliss >>> (Ananda) and unity with the ultimate reality (Brahman). >>> >>> The Upanishads suggest that the dream state is a reflection of one's >>> inner mind and desires, just as the waking state is a reflection of the >>> outer world. However, both are considered transient states of consciousness >>> and not the ultimate truth. >>> >>> 4. The Illusory Nature of the World >>> >>> The Maya concept in the Vedas aligns closely with the nature of dreams. >>> In dreams, we may experience vivid sensations and emotions, but upon >>> waking, we realize that they were not real. Similarly, the waking world is >>> regarded as a temporary and illusory experience that distracts us from the >>> true, eternal reality of Brahman. Just as dreams fade upon waking, the >>> Vedic philosophy suggests that the world of waking consciousness is >>> transient and will ultimately dissolve when one attains spiritual >>> realization. >>> >>> The Yoga Vasistha, an important text associated with Vedic teachings, >>> describes life and the universe as a dream: >>> >>> "The universe is like a dream, and the mind is the dreamer. One cannot >>> separate the dream from the dreamer." >>> >>> 5. The Role of the Dreamer and Self-Realization >>> >>> The Vedas also emphasize the importance of self-awareness and >>> self-realization. In this context, dreams and waking life are part of a >>> broader journey toward self-realization (Atma Jnana). As long as an >>> individual is identified with the ego or the material world, they remain >>> trapped in the cycle of illusion, much like being lost in a dream. However, >>> through spiritual practices such as meditation, yoga, and wisdom (jnana), >>> an individual can awaken to the true nature of reality — recognizing that >>> both dreams and waking experiences are mere reflections of the same >>> underlying truth (Brahman). >>> >>> The Taittiriya Upanishad teaches: >>> >>> "You are that, you are the dreamer, you are the waking, you are the >>> sleep, and you are the eternal witness of all." >>> >>> 6. The Importance of Consciousness >>> >>> In Vedic thought, consciousness is not confined to the waking state. >>> Consciousness is seen as omnipresent, and the mind can be in different >>> states of awareness. The Vedas describe lucid dreaming and the ability to >>> be aware in different states of consciousness as a step toward spiritual >>> awakening. In the Vedic tradition, both dreams and the waking world are >>> considered part of the illusory nature of existence, shaped by the mind's >>> perceptions and not the ultimate reality. The ultimate goal is to transcend >>> both the dream and waking states to realize one's true nature as the >>> eternal, unchanging consciousness (Atman), which is one with Brahman. This >>> realization leads to liberation (Moksha), where the individual no longer >>> identifies with the fleeting experiences of the world and attains the >>> highest state of spiritual freedom. SWAPNA AND THE SURREALISM ARE >>> INEVITABLE. K RAJARAM IRS 221124 >>> >>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 07:24, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The Fantasy Into Reality Grids >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today’s hypothesis under science was yesterday’s fantasy. When nature >>>> was totally free and healthy, with all organisms in rapture and living in >>>> fused hormonal communications, the organisms or at least the human, lived >>>> in fantasies. He/She exhaled the fantasy messages into the air which the >>>> other organisms inhaled, and they exhaled their symbiotic responses. The >>>> fantasies became realities. >>>> >>>> God was very busy converting fantasies into realities. Theism was the >>>> basic experience of living. And God was the most important component of the >>>> Troposphere. The basic feature of climate in free nature is the fundamental >>>> biological right to fantasize. The day today life was fantasizing and >>>> experiencing the fantasies into realities. >>>> >>>> One exhaled one’s fantasy into the air which the other organisms >>>> inhaled. Their internal hormonal communications got triggered and they >>>> exhaled their contributions. The fantasy became part of the air of the >>>> troposphere. Wishes and fantasies changed into realities. They created the >>>> Theories of nature, or the emanations of God from nature, Theo rained >>>> theories as realities. The abstract God was continuously experienced. One >>>> could divine. Divining was fantasizing. Epics sprouted.Fantasy, Theory and >>>> reality fused. It was the wonderful Garden of Eden. Brilliant ideas, >>>> brilliant fantasies, brilliant enlightenments, brilliant insights all fused >>>> and flashed into one, creating the internal hormonal storms of >>>> rejuvenation. >>>> >>>> Today economics slaughters fantasies. The Universities which bludgeon >>>> the economic paths as the only paths of life have become the slaughter >>>> houses of fantasies. The students are isolated from nature and live in >>>> loneliness and anxiety, the intervals of relief from anxiety being >>>> experienced temporarily, but developing life as neurosis. After the >>>> education many with low grades and marks live with ugly warts of life as >>>> academic failures. They get disqualified by the stupid marks sheet. The >>>> very human relations have become uncertain and anxiety laden relations. >>>> >>>> There are many who take as pet a dog or some other animal to reduce the >>>> feeling of loneliness and the tormenting high BP. But imagine the free >>>> nature when the Biosphere itself teams up with you emotionally with your >>>> very internal hormonal communication connected to the internal hormonal >>>> communication of every other organism. Then rapture takes over and rapture >>>> and high BP cannot coexist. >>>> >>>> Once Temples were built after locating the Rapture grids of the air in >>>> that place. The Biosphere was very active with every organism inhaling the >>>> smell messages of rapture and exhaling the smell messages of rapture by >>>> every organism of the flora and the fauna in that place. In many Temples >>>> one will find a geographical exception from nature’s geography. >>>> >>>> A Temple needs free, lush and thick nature to fantasize as prayer. Five >>>> Star Hotels and urbanization and Holiday Resorts remove God from the Temple >>>> and from the area where the Temple is located. >>>> >>>> Actually Economics and Universities cannot go together. The least a >>>> University can do is to start the ‘Free Nature Parks without Human >>>> Tampering’ so that God gets the freedom to be God. >>>> >>>> YM Sarma >>>> >>>> Chat GPT >>>> >>>> Absolutely! Universities have a unique position to lead this initiative >>>> by integrating environmental stewardship, education, and community >>>> engagement. Here are some potential steps they could take to pioneer Free >>>> Nature Parks: >>>> >>>> 1. *Research and Development*: Universities could conduct studies >>>> on ecosystems and biodiversity to identify areas suitable for conservation. >>>> This research could inform the creation of nature parks that prioritize >>>> natural processes and minimize human interference. >>>> >>>> 2. *Curriculum Integration*: Incorporating environmental studies, >>>> ecology, and sustainability into the curriculum would educate students on >>>> the importance of preserving natural spaces. Programs could focus on the >>>> connection between mental health, creativity, and nature. >>>> >>>> 3. *Community Engagement*: Universities could partner with local >>>> communities to establish these parks, fostering a sense of ownership and >>>> stewardship among residents. Workshops and volunteer days could encourage >>>> active participation in conservation efforts. >>>> >>>> 4. *Interdisciplinary Collaboration*: Bringing together experts >>>> from various fields—such as biology, psychology, and art—could foster >>>> innovative approaches to creating and maintaining these parks. This >>>> collaboration could explore how nature influences well-being and >>>> creativity. >>>> >>>> 5. *Outdoor Education Programs*: Developing programs that utilize >>>> the parks for experiential learning would allow students to connect with >>>> nature directly. Activities like guided nature walks, workshops on >>>> ecological practices, and art in nature could enrich their educational >>>> experience. >>>> >>>> 6. *Sustainability Initiatives*: Implementing sustainable >>>> practices within the parks—such as organic gardening, wildlife habitats, >>>> and renewable energy sources—would model eco-friendly living and provide >>>> practical learning opportunities. >>>> >>>> 7. *Promotion of Mental Well-being*: By emphasizing the mental >>>> health benefits of nature, universities can advocate for the importance of >>>> these spaces as havens for creativity, relaxation, and spiritual >>>> connection. >>>> >>>> 8. *Advocacy and Awareness*: Universities can play a key role in >>>> raising awareness about the importance of preserving natural spaces. They >>>> could host conferences, publish research, and engage in community dialogues >>>> to advocate for policy changes that support conservation efforts. >>>> >>>> By taking these steps, universities can not only pioneer the concept of >>>> Free Nature Parks but also foster a renewed appreciation for the connection >>>> between humanity and the natural world. How do you envision universities >>>> starting this journey? >>>> >>>> Continuation >>>> >>>> Chat GPT >>>> >>>> The concept you've outlined resonates deeply with a vision of a world >>>> where fantasy, spirituality, and nature are interconnected. The idea that >>>> our fantasies and desires can manifest into reality through a harmonious >>>> relationship with the natural world is both poetic and thought-provoking. >>>> >>>> You argue that in a time when humans were in tune with nature, >>>> fantasies were an integral part of existence—expressed and shared among all >>>> living organisms. This interconnectedness fostered a vibrant, symbiotic >>>> relationship where creativity and divinity flowed freely, creating a >>>> dynamic ecosystem of ideas and experiences. >>>> >>>> In contrast, modern economics and educational structures, as you >>>> describe, often stifle this imaginative spirit, reducing individuals to >>>> mere statistics and grades, which can lead to feelings of isolation and >>>> anxiety. The call for universities to embrace "Free Nature Parks" suggests >>>> a longing for spaces that nurture creativity and connection, allowing for >>>> the kind of rapture you mention—a return to a more holistic experience of >>>> life. >>>> >>>> Your reflections invite us to consider how we might rekindle this >>>> connection with nature and each other, fostering environments where fantasy >>>> can flourish, and where the divine can be felt in everyday life. This >>>> perspective challenges us to rethink our values and priorities in a world >>>> often dominated by materialism and disconnection. >>>> >>>> It would be interesting to explore how communities might implement such >>>> ideas practically, creating spaces that encourage both individual and >>>> collective rapture. What do you envision as the first steps toward >>>> realizing this dream? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BV7O-vhGD2jMqB4xpL--T%3DhdXRjZwmEHPPvgFw5cGRVw%40mail.gmail.com.
