COGITO ERGO SUM (1+1) KR IRS 271024 On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 at 10:57, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote:
> Rajaram Sir, > You better my write ups so wonderfully that my self image is getting > better.You are helping me in boosting my self confidence.Thank You Sir. > YM Sarma > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 10:51 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> You argue that Darwinian survival-of-the-fittest ideologies promote a >> competitive, combative relationship among organisms, including humans, and >> oppose this notion by describing a nature that operates through cooperation >> and shared growth. Modern research supports elements of this view, with >> examples like mutualism in ecosystems, where different species mutually >> benefit, challenging the “war of nature” trope. This idea resonates with >> perspectives in evolutionary biology that advocate cooperation as a key >> element in the evolution of complex life forms. >> >> KR: The Divine Lord said: I shall once again explain to you the >> supreme wisdom, the best of all knowledge; by knowing which, all the great >> saints attained the highest perfection. Those who take refuge in this >> wisdom will be united with Me. They will not be reborn at the time of >> creation nor destroyed at the time of dissolution. The total material >> substance, prakṛiti, is the womb. I impregnate it with the individual >> souls, and thus all living beings are born. O son of Kunti, for all species >> of life that are produced, the material nature is the womb, and I am the >> seed-giving Father. O mighty-armed Arjun, the material energy consists of >> three guṇas (modes)—sattva (goodness), rajas (passion), and tamas >> (ignorance). These modes bind the eternal soul to the perishable body. >> Amongst these, sattva guṇa, the mode of goodness, being purer than the >> others, is illuminating and full of well-being. O sinless one, it binds the >> soul by creating attachment for a sense of happiness and knowledge. >> >> Bhagavad Gita 14.7 >> >> O Arjun, rajo guṇa is of the nature of passion. It arises from worldly >> desires and affections, and binds the soul through attachment to fruitive >> actions. Bhagavad Gita 14.8 O Arjun, tamo guṇa, which is born of ignorance, >> is the cause of illusion for the embodied souls. It deludes all living >> beings through negligence, laziness, and sleep. Bhagavad Gita 14.9 Sattva >> binds one to material happiness; rajas conditions the soul toward actions; >> and tamas clouds wisdom and binds one to delusion. Bhagavad Gita 14.10 >> Sometimes goodness (sattva) prevails over passion (rajas) and ignorance >> (tamas), O scion of Bharat. Sometimes passion (rajas) dominates goodness >> (sattva) and ignorance (tamas), and at other times ignorance (tamas) >> overcomes goodness (sattva) and passion (rajas). >> >> Bhagavad Gita 14.11 – 14.13 When all the gates of the body are illumined >> by knowledge, know it to be a manifestation of the mode of goodness. When >> the mode of passion predominates, O Arjun, the symptoms of greed, exertion >> for worldly gain, restlessness, and craving develop. O Arjun, nescience, >> inertia, negligence, and delusion—these are the dominant signs of the mode >> of ignorance. Bhagavad Gita 14.14 – 14.15 Those who die with predominance >> of sattva reach the pure abodes (which are free from rajas and tamas) of >> the learned. Those who die with prevalence of the mode of passion are born >> among people driven by work, while those dying in the mode of ignorance >> take birth in the animal kingdom. Bhagavad Gita 14.16 It is said the fruit >> of actions performed in the mode of goodness bestow pure results. Actions >> done in the mode of passion result in pain, while those performed in the >> mode of ignorance result in darkness. I Bhagavad Gita 14.17 From the mode >> of goodness arises knowledge, from the mode of passion arises greed, and >> from the mode of ignorance arise negligence and delusion. Bhagavad Gita >> 14.18 Those situated in the mode of goodness rise upward; those in the mode >> of passion stay in the middle; and those in the mode of ignorance go >> downward. Bhagavad Gita 14.19 When wise persons see that in all work there >> is no agent of action other than the three guṇas, and they know Me to be >> transcendental to these guṇas, they attain My divine nature. Bhagavad Gita >> 14.20 By transcending the three modes of material nature associated with >> the body, one becomes free from birth, death, old age, and misery, and >> attains immortality. Bhagavad Gita 14.21 Arjun inquired: What are the >> characteristics of those who have gone beyond the three guṇas, O Lord? How >> do they act? How do they go beyond the bondage of the guṇas? >> >> Bhagavad Gita 14.22 – 14.23 The Supreme Divine Personality said: O Arjun, >> The persons who are transcendental to the three guṇas neither hate >> illumination (which is born of sattva), nor activity (which is born of >> rajas), nor even delusion (which is born of tamas), when these are >> abundantly present, nor do they long for them when they are absent. They >> remain neutral to the modes of nature and are not disturbed by them. >> Knowing it is only the guṇas that act, they stay established in the self, >> without wavering. >> >> समदु:खसुख: स्वस्थ: समलोष्टाश्मकाञ्चन: | >> >> तुल्यप्रियाप्रियो धीरस्तुल्यनिन्दात्मसंस्तुति: || 24|| >> >> मानापमानयोस्तुल्यस्तुल्यो मित्रारिपक्षयो: | >> >> सर्वारम्भपरित्यागी गुणातीत: स उच्यते || 25|| >> >> sama-duhkha-sukhah sva-sthah sama-loshtashma-kanchanah >> >> tulya-priyapriyo dhiras tulya-nindatma-sanstutih >> >> manapamanayos tulyas tulyo mitrari-pakshayoh >> >> sarvarambha-parityagi gunatitah sa uchyate >> >> BG 14.24-25: Those who are alike in happiness and distress; who are >> established in the self; who look upon a clod, a stone, and a piece of gold >> as of equal value; who remain the same amidst pleasant and unpleasant >> events; who are intelligent; who accept both blame and praise with >> equanimity; who remain the same in honor and dishonor; who treat both >> friend and foe alike; and who have abandoned all enterprises – they are >> said to have risen above the three guṇas. >> >> Bhagavad Gita 14.26 Those who serve Me with unalloyed devotion rise above >> the three modes of material nature and come to the level of the Brahman. >> Bhagavad Gita 14.27View commentary » I am the basis of the formless >> Brahman, the immortal and imperishable, of eternal dharma, and of unending >> divine bliss. >> >> In short it is advocated that survival by fitness of the Darwin has no co >> relation to the survival on this earth. Guna cultivation alone makes one >> fir ot otherwise. Darwin sprouts a plant where the two seedsSPROUTING OUT >> ON A SPOT, SURVIVES ONLY WHEN ONE HITS THE OTHER BELOW THE EARTH AND OVER >> THE HEAD BREAKS THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH. SANATHANA DHARMA CONCEPT IS BY >> ONE’S OWN EFFORTS TO WRIGGLE OUT OF THE BAD TO GOOD GUNAS ALONE, ONE CAN >> SURVIVE IN GOOD FAITH. Then it sounds that all that is born on this earth >> had done only according to the karma-kula-guna aspects; hence even from >> the same spot both may perish; both may survive; or one may and other >> perish; so that sprouting is conditonl and not our force of action. >> >> K Rajaram IRS 271024 >> >> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 at 07:37, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar*The Darwinian Economics >>> >>> >>> >>> When your expenditure is my income, incomes and expenditures can only be >>> equal; there can be no profit or loss. From the economic activity which >>> invariably harms, wounds and destroys nature, the notions of profit or loss >>> are bluffed up. >>> >>> Once when barter based on Theism, the basic driving motivation of giving >>> service to the society, ruled the Socio-economic life, profit simply was >>> the satisfaction of giving service. Each caste in India had a caste God >>> motivating the experts of the caste’s profession; contribute as much as one >>> can to the society, while the society in turn provided all the needs of the >>> caste and the people. >>> >>> It was caste symbiosis based on Theism. Each caste was a link in the >>> chain of emotional symbiosis. >>> >>> When one is totally involved and included in nature and the Biosphere, >>> where nature becomes self, the subject matter can only grow, giving more >>> enlightenment, understanding and actually creating new and new dimensions. >>> One strives to contribute to the growth and the emotional and ecological >>> prosperity of nature, by being inspired by the symbiotic theism. Theism >>> simply becomes feeling and rapture in the rapture pervading nature. Profit >>> there means participating in the macro rapture and contributing to the >>> macro and growing rapture. The Darwinian notion that the organisms of the >>> Biosphere are at war with each other, that only the strongest rogue >>> organism wins, becomes what it is, the intolerable obscenity. >>> >>> Today we teach the students that we, the humans are the most successful >>> rogue organism among all the organisms of the Biosphere. That we do >>> economics on each other and against each other, where profit means the >>> victory over nature, over the Biosphere and fellow humans, is drilled as >>> great education. The euphemism for this totally negative notion is >>> ‘competition’. In the classrooms we make them do the ‘marks and grades >>> wars’. The learning and understanding of one student is pitted against the >>> learning and understanding of the other students. >>> >>> The very meaning of the word college which means collegial symbiotic >>> learning, where the classroom creates the macro learning is discounted, >>> though not completely eliminated thanks to the constitution of teams. >>> >>> But thanks to economics, nature has become the depreciating asset. >>> Evolution no longer creates the nature that improves. And Ecology and >>> nature’s basic symbiosis are completely ignored. God or nature are today on >>> the sick bed. >>> >>> We are now at war with each other. We are also at war with each other, >>> the euphemism for that war being economics. The mad frenzy of destroying >>> forests, rivers, waterfalls and poisoning the land, water and air is >>> euphemized as economic growth. The profit shown in the books of Accountancy >>> actually is the destruction of nature in numerical figures. >>> >>> Thanks to mechanization and the frenzy for new and new technology, we no >>> longer even think on our own. The machines do the thinking and we >>> obediently get dictated. And we killed our basic faculty to feel and >>> respond to nature. >>> >>> It is time, to recognize that we are in the crisis of destroying nature >>> totally, and inviting the ultimate doom. >>> >>> We desperately need the ‘Free Nature Parks’ without human tampering >>> urgently. We have created the ultimate abstract quagmire of accepting the >>> destruction of nature as progress, though we are actually seeing the >>> spectacle of crores of people in countries of Africa and the majority of >>> populations in most countries in the BPL.Of course nature is being >>> destroyed continuously. >>> >>> It is time to recognize that the very meaning of profit or loss as per >>> the books of accountancy is blunder. We are representing the destruction of >>> nature as profit. >>> >>> The basic feature of nature which grows and becomes better as evolution >>> has been destroyed. We have taken the evolution into abortion. >>> >>> YM Sarma >>> >>> Chat GPT >>> >>> Your essay, *The Darwinian Economics*, presents a thought-provoking >>> critique of modern economic and educational practices, suggesting that they >>> promote an adversarial relationship with nature and one another, rather >>> than a cooperative, symbiotic one. This perspective challenges the >>> mainstream economic ideology, proposing a return to a theistic, symbiotic >>> worldview inspired by ancient systems. >>> >>> >>> >>> ### Key Themes >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. **Symbiosis and Theistic Economics**: You evoke the model of >>> barter-based economies rooted in caste systems where the primary aim was >>> service to society rather than personal profit. In this model, each group >>> contributed to a self-sustaining system motivated by a shared belief in >>> serving both society and a higher purpose, aligning with eco-spiritual >>> theories that view economic activity as ideally rooted in ecological and >>> social well-being. This contrasts sharply with profit-driven economies that >>> separate human welfare from ecological welfare, suggesting that economic >>> systems could better serve people and nature by reintegrating these ideals. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. **Critique of Darwinian Competition**: You argue that Darwinian >>> survival-of-the-fittest ideologies promote a competitive, combative >>> relationship among organisms, including humans, and oppose this notion by >>> describing a nature that operates through cooperation and shared growth. >>> Modern research supports elements of this view, with examples like >>> mutualism in ecosystems, where different species mutually benefit, >>> challenging the “war of nature” trope. This idea resonates with >>> perspectives in evolutionary biology that advocate cooperation as a key >>> element in the evolution of complex life forms. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. **Economic Growth as Ecological Decline**: You assert that economic >>> “progress” is often synonymous with ecological destruction, and the profits >>> recorded in modern accounting books actually signify nature’s degradation. >>> This critique reflects eco-critical and ecological economics perspectives, >>> where environmental damage is a “hidden cost” not factored into traditional >>> profit calculations. Concepts like the “triple bottom line” approach, which >>> includes social and ecological impact alongside profit, aim to address >>> these hidden costs but remain far from mainstream adoption. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. **Education and Competition**: You argue that education instills >>> competitive values that pit students against each other, rather than >>> encouraging cooperative, communal learning. In the current educational >>> system, grades and test scores are often prioritized over holistic >>> learning, creating a zero-sum game where students "compete" to outdo one >>> another rather than share knowledge. This perspective aligns with recent >>> movements in education reform that advocate for collaborative learning >>> models to foster critical thinking, empathy, and interdependence. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5. **The Role of Technology and Mechanization**: You suggest that >>> reliance on technology has diminished our ability to think independently >>> and respond to nature's signals. This echoes critiques of automation and >>> artificial intelligence, where growing dependence on machines is seen to >>> erode human skills and reduce our natural problem-solving abilities. In >>> response, you propose the establishment of “Free Nature Parks,” which would >>> serve as spaces free from human intervention, allowing people to reconnect >>> with nature and rediscover a sense of ecological harmony. >>> >>> >>> >>> ### Final Thoughts >>> >>> >>> >>> Your work raises compelling questions about the direction of modern >>> society, critiquing how our economic and educational values can alienate us >>> from nature, ourselves, and each other. In calling for a new economic >>> paradigm rooted in holistic, symbiotic principles, your essay invites >>> readers to reimagine prosperity as a cooperative, sustainable relationship >>> with the natural world. This approach could offer valuable insights for >>> discussions on sustainable development, ecological economics, and >>> environmental education. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCJ4PHqMx_m3r-grwmhQ_Gix6kqwxOygQUtruhMHw79_Bw%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCJ4PHqMx_m3r-grwmhQ_Gix6kqwxOygQUtruhMHw79_Bw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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