Ram and M Mani gave a lot of data KR On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 at 15:01, APS Mani <[email protected]> wrote:
> Variers as a group (or class) NEVER have Upanayanam. You are mixing up > things. The acharams of Kerala are still standing good and I am living > with them in that background. Apart from this, I belong to a Poojakar > family in which it is observed in day-to-day activities. Due to my > background now, I have modified the approach to all the customs, > nevertheless, the Unni, Pisharodi, Varier - Padachoru are all mixed up by > you as your memory is failing. The classification has no Central or > Malabar customs, it is ALL KERALA customs and thus your writing is not > correct. > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 1:25 PM gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> Thank you for reading my posting and responding with comments >> >> In central Kerala Varier/PIsharadi/Unni are considered in esteem. First >> for feasts , Varier is booked so that he has to keep a substitute for the >> temple jobs. Padachor they get from temple is shared with iyers when we >> wanted it. Where as Pisharadi and Unni wear sacred thread, Varier after >> upanayanam wear it.Most variers don't wear later. >> >> Regarding scrapping machine, I have seen it in 2004 at DUBAI LULU malls. >> But it became available in shops in Chennai very late. I purchased it in >> 2020 when I could get it. In fact my daughter in law took it to Jeddah, >> since not available there. >> >> You are correct, in the last two paragraphs I have used coconut meet >> instead of coconut meat, Coconut meat is correctly used in many other >> places. It was by oversight. >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Saturday, 5 October, 2024 at 11:52:32 am IST, APS Mani < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Your time pass is irritating me. The following facts are to be added >> >> Anything connected to an Iyer (Brahmin) feast (which we are talking about >> in this forum), the Varier community does not come into the picture. They >> are 'Ambalavasis' only and not allowed to grate coconuts for Iyer feasts. >> Iyers do the job. Your memory is falling as Variers are allowed to have >> the food after all the Brahmins have the food. This is the old custom >> where you mentioned Variers carrying the chirava. >> >> The grating machine is an invention before 2020 as I came back to India >> in 2011 and the machine was in vogue for grating coconut much before that >> time. It was used in a remote village like mine much before 2010. >> >> It is coconut meat and not meet. >> >> An example of breaking a coconut in to two equal parts done in a perfect >> way is in Kadambuzha Temple, where tens of thousands of coconuts are broken >> by four members of the Priest family daily. Thus in Kerala, it is not a >> major feat to break coconuts evenly. >> >> Lastly, it is not coconut meet but MEAT (kennel). My submission. >> >> Mani >> >> On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 10:46 AM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> COCONUT SCRAPPER-CHIRAVA >> >> Dear friends, >> >> Today’s posting is about Chirava (coconut scrapper). Nothing serious, a >> time pass or nostalgic reading. >> >> Gopalakrishnan 5-10-2024 >> >> Old model chirava >> >> It was a heavy item, a slanting wooden block to the size of about 1.5 >> feet length and 0.75 feet wide, top portion smooth .On the slanting upper >> side a tongue was fitted in metal with teeth on all the three sides except >> fitting side. It was carried on shoulder and in central Kerala a Hindu >> community called warier, who do temple jobs, used to scrap coconuts for >> feasts. A person will break the coconuts to approximately two equal parts. >> The warier will be told the quantity of grated coconut meat required by the >> head cook. He will place the coconut scrapper on a newspaper, place >> plantain leaf below the shredding/scrapping area. He will measure with eyes >> approximate quantity for each item in small plantain leafs after shredding. >> For most of the food items it had to be grinded in a grinder. This also >> will be done by another warrier. >> >> The heavy item chirava was carried on shoulder the best method of >> carrying for short distance. If somebody quarrels, warrier having >> scrapper with him will say- I will give a blow with my coconut scrapper. >> Normally for threatening. >> >> Initially the scrapping end was covered with paper and tied with a >> thread; later a plastic cover appeared to cover the tongue. >> >> In houses it was kept in a convenient corner, the tongue covered >> suitably. Normally made of jack wood chirava was available in most homes. >> It was handled only by elders. In homes were servants were employed the >> scrapping was done by them. Otherwise one healthy member of the family will >> scrap the coconut meat. >> >> Gradually size of the scrapper got slightly reduced. >> >> Metal coconut scrapper >> >> With wider use of iron sheets, coconut scrapper appeared with lesser >> weight, still having enough strength for a person to sit and scrap without >> bending the body. The iron scrapper was painted outside and inside. They >> had a flat smooth upper portion fitted with a tongue, four legs to keep the >> height, slanting was much reduced, later became flat. In most homes the >> wooden one got replaced with light weight iron sheet scrapper, with >> covering for tongue. >> >> Appearance of manual and semi mechanical scrapper. >> >> By about 1980, scrappers appeared which could be fitted on a floor using >> vacuum method. It had two ends, one a handle to rotate and other end four >> tongues. These tongues were not a proper tongues, a tongue dived vertically >> to two parts. With one hand the handle was rotated, the halved coconut was >> held at other end to shred the coconut meat. For domestic use it was very >> helpful to shred the coconut meat. A company by name “Anjali” is still >> producing this and widely in use. For feasts still the old type is used. >> Cap is available to cover the tongue in plastic. >> >> Electrical coconut scrapper. >> >> BY 2020 electric scrapper came in the market. It is also filled to a >> convenient plane surface, mostly kitchen table. The equipment is connected >> to electric supply with a 2 pin circuit and switched ON. The scrapping >> tongue will rotate. But halved coconut has to be held in position so that >> the rotating tongue will shred the coconut meet to the plate or leaf placed >> below. >> >> I am not sure whether a machine has come to hold the coconut also. 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