The sinner of Singapore is questioning what fera has to do with the anandam; that shows where in the ditch he is wallowing; narayanasamy fear against KR alone makes him write nonsense; when he is in fear, how can he be happy at all? Even simple thing is not known to that simpleton KR
On Thu, 9 May 2024 at 23:12, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > Once a notoriously sinful liar, twister,and master bluffologist, he is > ever so. Intractable, irremediable, incapable of reform or re-education.. > > Despite muddying the clear waters of the yajur-veda thaiththireeya > upanishad, the sinner ends up resorting to an irreleancy - fear -- when the > subject is bliss, happiness, aanandam. > > The craven cowardly sinner's preoccupation is with his own sins, vide:- > > "*Fear rules our minds. We fear for various reasons and philosophically > speaking, our fear stems from the reali-zation or the understanding that we > are lonely and helpless in this world. This fear is normal because we learn > from our experience and perceptions that we are limited in many ways and > against the forces of Nature we cannot prevail for long. Fear also arises, > if you are a religious person, from the idea of sin and its consequences.* > " > > My comments:- What has this rant to do with happiness, bliss, aanandam? > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:45 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Today morning I saw one sinful person quoting Taittiriya upanishad II 9 >> against the mundane happiness quotes about. In II 8 the bliss of >> various deities are spoken; and in II 9 the level of bliss and becoming >> brahmam is spoken. As another compiles anything without understanding, so >> too, this person ,unaware of the difference between human happiness mundane >> against the bliss of becoming and staying as brahmam, wrote as usual, to >> show he also knows. Produced below from Gambirananda translation what >> exactly the verse means: >> Section 8Progressive States of Bliss >> >> *1. bhisa, asmadvatah pavate, bhisodeti suryah, bhisa, >> asmadag-niscendrasca, mrityurdhavati pancama iti, saisanandasya mimamsa >> bhavati, yuva syatsadhuyuva, adhyayakah, asistho dridhistho balist-hah, >> tasyeyam prithivi sarva vittasya purna syat, sa eko manu-sa anandah, te ye >> satam manusa anandah, sa eko manusyagan-dharvanamanandah, srotriyasya >> cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam manusyagandharvanamanandah, sa eko devagan-dharvanamanandah, >> srotriyasya cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam devagandharvanamanandah, sa ekah pitrinam >> ciralokalokanamanandah, srotriyasya cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam pitrinam ciralokalokanamanandah, sa eka ajanaja-nam >> devanamanandah, srotriyasya cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam ajanajanam devanamanandah, sa ekah karmade-vanam >> devanamanandah, ye karmana devanapiyanti, srotriy-asya cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam karmadevanam devanamanandah, sa eko deva-namanandah, >> srotriyasya cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam devanamanandah, sa eka indrasya, a, anandah, srotriyasya >> cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satamindrasya, a, anandah, sa eko brihaspateranandah, srotriyasya >> cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam brihaspateranandah, sa ekah prajapateranandah, srotriyasya >> cakamahatasya,* >> >> *te ye satam prajapateranandah, sa eko brahmana anandah, srotriyasya >> cakamahatasya,* >> >> *sa yascayam puruse, yascasavaditye, sa ekah, sa ya evamvit, >> as-mallokatpretya, etamannamayamatmanamupasankramati, eta-m pranamayam >> atmanam upasankramati, etam manomayam atmanam upasankramati, etam >> vijnanamayam atmanam upasankramati, etam anandamayam atmanamupasankramati, >> tadapyesa sloko bhavati.* >> >> 1. From fear of Him Vatah (the wind) blows, from fear of Him the sun >> rises. From fear of Him the five divinities such as Agni (fire), Indra, and >> Mrityu (death) work. Now regarding the bliss of this one this is the >> (conclusion drawn from) philosophical enquiry. >> >> If there were a young man, a good young man, well versed in the Ve-das, >> efficient in action, with a steady mind and senses, strong and if the >> wealth of the earth were entirely for him only, that is one measure of >> human bliss. A hundred times of that bliss is one measure of the bliss >> of celestial humans known as the Gandharvas, so also (the bliss) of a >> per-son well versed in the Vedas and who is not stricken with desires. A >> hundred times of the bliss of celestial humans is one measure of the bliss >> of the divine celestials known as Deva Gandharvas, so also (the bliss) of a >> person well versed in the Vedas and who is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of ancestors (pitrs) in their long-lasting >> world is one measure of the bliss of those who become gods by birth in the >> divine world of Ajana, so also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the >> Vedas and who is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of those who become gods by birth in the >> di-vine world of Ajana is one measure of the bliss of those who become gods >> by duty known as karmadevas, who reach the gods by their sacrifices, so >> also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the Vedas and who is not >> stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of those who become gods by duty is one measure >> of the bliss of the (immortal) gods, so also (the bliss) of a per-son well >> versed in the Vedas and who is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of the (immortal gods) is one measure of the >> bliss of Indra, so also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the Vedas >> and who is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of Indra is one measure of the bliss of >> Brihaspati, so also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the Vedas and >> who is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of Brihaspati is one measure of the bliss of >> Prajapati, so also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the Vedas and who >> is not stricken with desires. >> >> A hundred times the bliss of Prajapati is one measure of the bliss of >> Brahma, so also (the bliss) of a person well versed in the Vedas and who is >> not stricken with desires. >> >> He who is in this person, and who is in the sun above, He is one only. >> Whoever knows this, upon departing from this world, attains the body >> made up of food, attains the body made up of breath, attains the body made >> up of mind, attains the body made up of intelligence and attains the body >> which >> is made up of bliss. >> >> *Notes*: Different types of men, gods and celestial beings are mentioned >> in this verse. The Gandharvas are celestial beings who inhabit the >> mid-region. They are endowed with ethereal bodies and exceptional artistic >> talents. They are classified here as hu-man gandharvas, who assume human >> form at will and visit the earth frequently, and as godly gandharvas, who >> inhabit Indra's heaven and entertain the gods. Three types of gods are >> mentioned. Those who are born as gods by virtue of the merit of their past >> lives, those who become equal to gods upon earth by virtue of their >> obligatory duties and sacrifices and the real gods who are immortal, who >> said to be thirty three. The last part of the verse signifies that whoever >> knows the nature of Brahman will have all the bodies in his next birth when >> he returns from the ancestral world. >> Section 9Offering Actions to the Self Within >> >> *1. yato vaco nivartante, aprapya manasa saha, anandam brahm-ano vidvan, >> na bibheti kutascaneti, etam ha vava na tapati, kimaham sadhu nakaravam, >> kimaham papamakaravamiti, sa ya evam vidvanete atmanam sprinute, ubhe >> hyevaisa ete atma-nam sprinute, ya evam veda, ityupanisat.* >> >> 1. From where the words return, along with the mind, unable to attain it, >> that blissful Brahman who knows, he does not fear even a little. Such a >> person, verily, is not tormented by the thought, "Why did not I per-form >> good deeds? Why have I indulged in sinful actions?" Whoever knows this >> offers them to his Self. Indeed, he offers both to himself, who knows thus. >> Such is the secret teaching. >> >> *Notes*: The knower of the Self is not troubled by the nature of his >> actions since he knows that the Self is the source of his action. >> Accordingly he offers all his actions to his Self, without desiring their >> fruit and thereby escapes from their consequences. Therefore, he is not >> troubled by the nature of his actions. Fear rules our minds. We fear for >> various reasons and philosophically speaking, our fear stems from the >> reali-zation or the understanding that we are lonely and helpless in this >> world. This fear is normal because we learn from our experience and >> perceptions that we are limited in many ways and against the forces of >> Nature we cannot prevail for long. Fear also arises, if you are a religious >> person, from the idea of sin and its consequences. Our actions are rooted >> in our desires and our desires lead to attachment and the continu-ation of >> our existence in the cycle of births and deaths. All these produce fear and >> that fear is our constant experience. This fear disappears only when we >> realize our eternal Nature and experience oneness with Brahman. >> >> KR Where it is said making others happy on earth? That is why I said >> there are 4 or 5 pretenders ; and since bad elements join so easily, Good >> people do not; so the sheep of the army are developed. 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