Haha, sorry and thanks for correction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke" <[email protected]> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone)
Correction here Kit, he is Dennis and not Denise. There is a Denise (female) on the list but it is not her you are responding to but Dennis (male) member. *smile*. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit" <[email protected]> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) > Denise, > > If we forgo this new version, our email and web won't work. Actually, > it's > not the problem of TW or FB but more of the type of edit box which they > use > to write those pages. So, simplest is to find the type and solve that > issue. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Long" <[email protected]> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > > What everyone is forgetting is it isn't always easy to track down bugs and > it wouldn't be effective to put out a update just for facebook and > twitter. > If you don't like the new version then downgrade to the one before it and > wait for the new version. I'm sure the dealers have passed on the > feedback. > Are you all forgetting that without talks we wouldn't have had > accessibility > for all these years lets be patient. If an update is rushed out then you > would be complaining if it broke something that worked. Talks has always > been about stability so relax people there are alternatives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > >> Exactly my point. I had put out an email a couple of weeks ago. Nuance is >> just not interested in Talks any more. >> >> -original message- >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> From: "Kit" <[email protected]> >> Date: 19/03/2012 5:46 AM >> >> It's amazing the testers, either Alpha or Omega or Beta missed this bug >> on >> FB and Twitter. It's so commonly used by so many people in the world and >> also always ask on accessibility in Talks list. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eleanor Burke" <[email protected]> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >> Fair points, but I mean the Testers must be reading our mails too and >> surely >> they must be finding the same issues as ourselves so I am wondering why >> they >> are not reporting back to the Developers. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >>> Ah, well, I have done some beta testing, although never for talks, and >>> you >>> have to sign agreements about not disclosing various things, which can >>> depend on the software in question. It always says you won't share >>> features of upcoming versions you are testing, though, whichever >>> company. >>> >>> Also, the hassle some of them on here would get from people trying to >>> weedle information out of them would be horrific, if they disclosed that >>> they were testers, I should imagine. >>> >>> Fi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>> Sent: 18 March 2012 23:10 >>> To: Talks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >>> iPhone) >>> >>> Or if not developers, maybe even Testers, though I do not think the >>> Testers openly say who they are either. >>> >>> Eleanor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:53 PM >>> Subject: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) >>> >>> >>>> Exactly, this silence is really frustrating. >>>> >>>> Developers, are you there? >>>> >>>> Fi >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15 >>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and >>>> Talks >>>> and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release of Talks >>>> but >>>> it was met with a wall of silence. When we want to read an e-mail we >>>> have >>>> all this additional information that we do not want, the number of >>>> frames >>>> the first frame being untitled and consisting of 2 colms, when the >>>> first >>>> frame finishes and when the second frame starts. Not only that, it is >>>> 50 >>>> 50 if Talks even picks up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated to >>>> Browser Browser Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow down yet >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Eleanor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook and Twitter >>>>> jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is really >>>>> annoying!!! >>>>> It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ... >>>>> Mobile >>>>> speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the very >>>>> latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on social >>>>> networking >>>>> sites up till now. Why should these be broken when they were fine >>>>> before? >>>>> I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm >>>>> not >>>>> sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software available, >>>>> either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be broken, even >>>>> after >>>>> that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't seem to get answers to >>>>> such >>>>> questions from developers the way they do on the Android list ... and >>>>> most >>>>> of the Android screen readers are free! So we've kept on and on paying >>>>> for >>>>> Talks and can't access E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn't even >>>>> a >>>>> joke! It's worse! As far as I know, there hasn't really been any >>>>> explanation about why this doesn't work well, but the same applies >>>>> with >>>>> Mobile Speak there. Code factory did, at least make older phones read >>>>> E-mail better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an >>>>> E-mail >>>>> really is primitive! >>>>> >>>>> I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason >>>>> these >>>>> days. >>>>> >>>>> I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices used with >>>>> talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us some >>>>> reasons >>>>> why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it does on other >>>>> platforms, please! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a number >>>>> of >>>>> months now, not just something I thought of today. I've already pretty >>>>> much decided my next new phone ... and I like new phones ... often ... >>>>> will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with its inaccessible >>>>> Ovi >>>>> Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access. >>>>> >>>>> If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this >>>>> after >>>>> using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Fi >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39 >>>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks >>>>> and >>>>> iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the move over >>>>> to >>>>> iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my necxt phone, >>>>> however, >>>>> I >>>>> have been a Talks user for 4 years now and my appeal here is to the >>>>> Talks >>>>> developers not to let the iPhone and Android take over the market of >>>>> screen readers for the blind. My Symbian S60 has met all my needs up >>>>> to >>>>> 2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my >>>>> problems? >>>>> >>>>> 1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a >>>>> way >>>>> on >>>>> my E6 to save a new e-mail address. >>>>> 2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit >>>>> boxes >>>>> in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit box while >>>>> one >>>>> is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with Talks released in >>>>> February 2012. What surprises me is that such an issue is not known at >>>>> release time. Surely the developers run through e-mail, internet and >>>>> social network sites prior to release. >>>>> 3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to start >>>>> writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to. >>>>> >>>>> Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop using >>>>> this >>>>> excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my comments and those >>>>> of >>>>> other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be forced to go out and >>>>> purchase an alternative mobile device than the symbian S60 one. >>>>> -----Original message----- >>>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >>>>> Sent: 18/03/2012, 3:28 pm >>>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>>> Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly 9 >>>>> years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time I >>>>> went >>>>> with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to anyone, but I'll >>>>> include some of my thoughts below, as well as how much I appreciate >>>>> Talks >>>>> and the Symbian platform. >>>>> >>>>> I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of >>>>> 2002. >>>>> I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction with >>>>> Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to the >>>>> blind. >>>>> I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T Nokia >>>>> E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in general, >>>>> I've >>>>> never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks. >>>>> >>>>> My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was as >>>>> much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much less than >>>>> I >>>>> used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device became less >>>>> of >>>>> a >>>>> concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the Droid 4 (which will have >>>>> a >>>>> keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if AT&T would ever carry the >>>>> Droid >>>>> 4, >>>>> and after reading multiple reviews of Android and Ice Cream Sandwich, >>>>> it >>>>> seemed like I'd be waiting quite a while for Android to catch up with >>>>> the >>>>> iPhone with respect to accessibility. >>>>> >>>>> The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it to >>>>> an >>>>> Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more and more, >>>>> and >>>>> I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud enough to >>>>> minimize >>>>> my >>>>> need to use Windows or iTunes. >>>>> >>>>> I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for >>>>> work >>>>> and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for work or >>>>> wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or Android >>>>> platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my E71X, it is >>>>> starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android would be playing >>>>> catch up with the iPhone with respect to accessibility for quite some >>>>> time >>>>> to come, even given Ice Cream Sandwich. I decided there was no longer >>>>> any >>>>> reason to wait. >>>>> >>>>> I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't think >>>>> I'm >>>>> being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian device and Talks >>>>> are >>>>> perfectly adequate solutions for the right situation, and I don't >>>>> think >>>>> anyone needs to feel like they're being left behind if they choose to >>>>> continue to use a Symbian device for another handset or two. It's all >>>>> about what you want and what gets the job done. >>>>> >>>>> I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and this list >>>>> know >>>>> how much I appreciated the technological advances made by the Talks >>>>> developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this list to know >>>>> how >>>>> much I appreciated the support I got from this list and it's members. >>>>> I'm >>>>> convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would not have >>>>> been >>>>> a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years. >>>>> >>>>> I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of >>>>> you >>>>> on >>>>> more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe from this >>>>> list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come back to >>>>> Talks! >>>>> Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list have >>>>> actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I hope >>>>> y'all >>>>> will forgive my drama! Good luck everyone in that quest for the >>>>> perfect >>>>> smart phone for your own situation! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>> and >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>> and >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
