> On Jul 12, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Charlie Monroe <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> An example to keep in mind:
> 
> let dict: [String : String] = ...
> if dict["key"] == "value" { // String? == String
>       // Do something
> }
> 
> If I understand correctly, when the proposal is accepted, you'd need to do 
> something like:
> 
> if let value = dict["key"], value == "value" { } 
> -- OR --
> if dict["key"] == Optional("value") { }
> 
> It's not an end of the world, but makes life a bit more difficult and such 
> usecase should be kept in mind.

Yes, Jacob also pointed this out.

Sometime later today I will push out an updated proposal that calls this out, 
and also discusses the overloads for equality and identity comparisons where 
one side is optional. I want to take another quick look at some of the changes 
I had to make to projects I looked at before I do so.

Mark

> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Mark Lacey via swift-evolution 
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> Thanks for writing this up. Just to clarify, will these still work if your 
>>> proposal is implemented?
>>> 
>>>     let x: Int?
>>>     let y: Int
>>>     struct NotEquatable {}
>>>     let z: NotEquatable?
>>> 
>>>     x == y; x != y
>>>     x == nil; x != nil
>>>     z == nil; z != nil
>>> 
>>> I would hope that these continue to work. If any changes need to be made to 
>>> ensure that, please make sure they're included in the proposal too.
>> 
>> The last four would work, but the first two (x == y and x != y) would not 
>> because they still involve coercing y to an optional.
>> 
>> Similarly, === and !== on reference types where one is an optional would 
>> require coercing one side, and would not be accepted without an explicit 
>> cast using Optional().
>> 
>> I’m curious what the motivation is for further special casing these 
>> operators. They do occur more in practice than <, <=, >, >= (in fact most of 
>> the source updates I had to make were due to === and !==, with == and != a 
>> close second), but overall these are still quite uncommon from what I’ve 
>> seen.
>> 
>> If you’d like I can certainly update the “alternatives considered” to 
>> include the suggestion that we add overloads for (T, T?) and (T?, T) for 
>> those four operators.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jacob
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Mark Lacey <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution 
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution 
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You'd have to unwrap it, or use the ??/==/!= operators: 
>>>>> https://gist.github.com/jtbandes/9d88cc83ceceb6c62f38 
>>>>> <https://gist.github.com/jtbandes/9d88cc83ceceb6c62f38>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd be okay with </<=/>/>= returning Bool?, as I suggested in an older 
>>>>> email (which somehow didn't make it to gmane's archive, but it's quoted 
>>>>> in some other messages 
>>>>> <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.swift.evolution/10095>). I think 
>>>>> it would be more convenient in some cases than unwrapping the individual 
>>>>> values before comparing them.
>>>> 
>>>> I’d be strongly opposed to those operator returning “Bool?”.  Doing so 
>>>> would prevent conforming to Comparable and would be extremely surprising.
>>>> 
>>>> -Chris
>>> 
>>> I just pushed the current draft of the proposal: 
>>> https://github.com/rudkx/swift-evolution/blob/eliminate-value-to-optional-coercion/proposals/0000-disallow-value-to-optional-coercion-in-operator-arguments.md
>>>  
>>> <https://github.com/rudkx/swift-evolution/blob/eliminate-value-to-optional-coercion/proposals/0000-disallow-value-to-optional-coercion-in-operator-arguments.md>
>>> 
>>> I haven’t addressed removal of the ordered comparison operators. I suspect 
>>> this should be a separate proposal, but I can roll that into this one if 
>>> it’s desired.
>>> 
>>> I’ll update the proposal as the discussion continues until it’s selected 
>>> for review.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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