> On Dec 21, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Javier Soto via swift-evolution 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I think it's just as important for methods. If you make a class final, all 
> methods become final, so that's OK. But if you make a class subclassable, and 
> then forget to mark some of it's methods final, then all methods would be 
> overridable which is probably not what you'd want in must cases. 

I agree.  I am wondering if we should separate the two topics into distinct 
threads though.  As this topic has most recently been focused on classes 
perhaps we should  adjust the subject line and start a new thread focused on 
methods within classes that are not final.  

> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:19 AM Tomáš Linhart <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I must say, I am not big fun of this proposal because currently in Swift only 
> way how to mock classes is to subclass them. If this proposal becomes 
> reality, it will make mocking of all third-party libraries impossible unless 
> they mark their classes non-final and I am afraid authors will just use the 
> default behaviour so at the end people will stop testing code that is using 
> third-party libraries or they will have to fork the libraries or ask the 
> authors. This can be fixed by having better testing support in Swift but I 
> don't think, this will happen anytime soon.
> 
> I would rather see introduction of better reflection so mock frameworks can 
> be reality. I would like to see also other building block of 
> objected-oriented-programming such as abstract classes, protocols with 
> generic type parameters and not just abstract types (associated types) that 
> allows to design better APIs that don't depend so much on overriding regular 
> classes.
> 
> Tomáš
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