I really do not see a reason why a master/slave terminology is a problem. We do not have slavery anywhere in the world. Should we also remove it from the dictionary?
The old mode is going to go away anyway. Why waste time bikeshedding on this? On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 12:04 PM Trey Grainger <solrt...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Shawn, > > Ok, yeah, apologies, my semantics were wrong. > > I was thinking that a TLog replica is a follower role only and becomes an > NRT replica if it gets elected leader. From a pure semantics standpoint, > though, I guess technically the TLog replica doesn't "become" an NRT > replica, but just "acts the same" as if it was an NRT replica when it gets > elected as leader. From the docs regarding TLog replicas: "This type of > replica maintains a transaction log but does not index document changes > locally... When this type of replica needs to update its index, it does so > by replicating the index from the leader... If it does become a leader, it > will behave the same as if it was a NRT type of replica." > > The Tlog replicas are a bit of a red herring to the point I was making, > though, which is that Pull Replicas in SolrCloud mode and Slaves in > non-SolrCloud mode both just pull the index from the leader/master and as > opposed to updates being pushed the other way. As such, I don't see a > meaningful distinction between master/slave and leader/follower behavior in > non-SolrCloud mode vs. SolrCloud mode for the specific functionality we're > talking about renaming (Solr cores that pull indices from other Solr > cores). > > At any rate, this is not a hill I care to die on. My belief is that it's > better to have consistent terminology for what I see as essentially the > same functionality. I respect that others disagree and would rather > introduce new terminology to clearly distinguish between modes. Regardless > of the naming decided on, I'm in support of removing the master/slave > nomenclature. > > Trey Grainger > Founder, Searchkernel > https://searchkernel.com > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:00 PM Shawn Heisey <apa...@elyograg.org> wrote: > > > On 6/17/2020 2:36 PM, Trey Grainger wrote: > > > 2) TLOG - which can only serve in the role of follower > > > > This is inaccurate. TLOG can become leader. If that happens, then it > > functions exactly like an NRT leader. > > > > I'm aware that saying the following is bikeshedding ... but I do think > > it would be as mistake to use any existing SolrCloud terminology for > > non-cloud deployments, including the word "replica". The top contenders > > I have seen to replace master/slave in Solr are primary/secondary and > > publisher/subscriber. > > > > It has been interesting watching this discussion play out on multiple > > open source mailing lists. On other projects, I have seen a VERY high > > level of resistance to these changes, which I find disturbing and > > surprising. > > > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > >
