Re: sfd2ttf - modify buglist entry

2006-11-27 Thread theun . wine . mail
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Markus Amsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: zaterdag, november 25, 2006 11:05 pm Onderwerp: Re: sfd2ttf > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > > >>From the buglist I gather that the fontforge dependency is still > an iss

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-11-25 Thread Markus Amsler
d to get it down to 500 KB. Without Code obfuscation or comment dropping my guessed minimum was around 350 KB which would be around 150-200 pages of code. And we agreed that's too much, so I stopped my efforts. You can download my latest version from [1]. There was also a sfd2ttf thread som

sfd2ttf

2006-11-25 Thread theun . wine . mail
Hi, >From the buglist I gather that the fontforge dependency is still an issue. I've taken a look at the sources and I think a can strip it down to about 5 to 10 pages of code without a major rewrite. If this is acceptable, I'd be happy to spend my time. Theun van der Veen

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-30 Thread Troy Rollo
On Saturday 29 April 2006 00:54, Hans Leidekker wrote: > Are we tied to sfd files in any way? Is there maybe another ascii > based font format for which a small converter to/from ttf exists? Better perhaps would be something that represents in a human-readable text format the contents of the fina

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-29 Thread Neil Skrypuch
On Friday, April 28, 2006 18:31, Travis Watkins wrote: > On 4/28/06, Dimi Paun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I said, virtually any Java project in existance checks in > > .jar files, and none of them suffer from any negative ill effect. > > jar == zip, not such a big deal > > -- > Travis Watkin

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Travis Watkins
On 4/28/06, Dimi Paun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I said, virtually any Java project in existance checks in .jar files, and none of them suffer from any negative ill effect. jar == zip, not such a big deal -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Markus Amsler
Jan Z. wrote: Btw. if we include other fonts in the future, as example the MS Tahoma replacement "Greenville" we need to include the ttf anyway as there is no source or perhaps only one usable with a nonfree as in money tool. Fontforge can convert ttf files to sfd. Another possibility woul

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Kuba Ober
On Friday 28 April 2006 10:54, Hans Leidekker wrote: > On Friday 28 April 2006 16:22, Dimi Paun wrote: > > Please, that's a trivial utility. As I said, it's a balancing act. > > It was very simple to have the bin2res, it looks a lot more complicated > > to have

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Jan Z.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 06:34:21PM +0200, Markus Amsler wrote: > Currently we have the following options: > - depend on fontforge > - add the ttf files > - sfd2ttf > - use some other font format, with converters (hans's idea). > - ?? Btw. if we include other fonts in the fu

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread n0dalus
On 4/29/06, Markus Amsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nice to here it built on a different machine. I will have a look at gcov. Half or more of the unused functions are probably due to unused sfd features. With marlett.sfd there are perhaps much less unused functions. With marlett.sfd it uses 1

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Markus Amsler
Currently we have the following options: - depend on fontforge - add the ttf files - sfd2ttf - use some other font format, with converters (hans's idea). - ?? I personally would also just add the generated ttf files (has someone sent a patch, perhaps it would slip in :-) ). But I think

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread n0dalus
On 4/28/06, Markus Amsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Here's a first version of an sfd2ttf tool based on fontforge-20051205. You can dwonload it from [1]. It consists of 5 files (with Makefile) and has a size of 500K. There's still some dead code lying around, I think I can

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Hans Leidekker
On Friday 28 April 2006 16:22, Dimi Paun wrote: > Please, that's a trivial utility. As I said, it's a balancing act. > It was very simple to have the bin2res, it looks a lot more complicated > to have sfd2ttf. If all we wanted is to avoid binaries in GIT (why?), > we can

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Dimi Paun
trivial utility. As I said, it's a balancing act. It was very simple to have the bin2res, it looks a lot more complicated to have sfd2ttf. If all we wanted is to avoid binaries in GIT (why?), we can covert .ttf to hex via bin2res :) But I think that would be worse than the problem... -- Dimi Paun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lattica, Inc.

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Mike McCormack
eed not be rebuild by users, etc. Nice to hear another voice of reason in all this mess. I hope that sfd2ttf and all the related *#$%!@ will be gone from wine as soon as possible. Somebody has finally spent the time needed to: 1) Eliminate a dependency (good!) 2) Keep binaries out of the GI

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Kuba Ober
binary files in CVS are not such a big deal. > It turns out that every Java project is checking in 3rd party jars > without one single negative side effect. Font files are just like > .jar files. Lets just commit them and be done with it. Nice to hear another voice of reason in all this me

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Dimi Paun
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 18:46 +0900, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > > It consists of 5 files (with Makefile) and has a size of 500K. > There's > > still some dead code lying around, I think I can bring it down to > > 300K-400K. Is this acceptable? > > IMHO that's too much. Even 100K would be. I agree,

Re: sfd2ttf

2006-04-28 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
"Markus Amsler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's a first version of an sfd2ttf tool based on fontforge-20051205. You can dwonload it from [1]. Did you run 'make test' in the dlls/gdi directory to see that font metrics of the generated bitmap fonts match the

Re: RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCormack
Markus Amsler wrote: Here's a first version of an sfd2ttf tool based on fontforge-20051205. You can dwonload it from [1]. Great work! It consists of 5 files (with Makefile) and has a size of 500K. There's still some dead code lying around, I think I can bring it down to 300K-400

RFC: sfd2ttf

2006-04-27 Thread Markus Amsler
Hi, Here's a first version of an sfd2ttf tool based on fontforge-20051205. You can dwonload it from [1]. It consists of 5 files (with Makefile) and has a size of 500K. There's still some dead code lying around, I think I can bring it down to 300K-400K. Is this acceptable? SFD r

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread n0dalus
On 4/14/06, Mike McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The FontForge author has indicated that he will give permission to > license sfd2ttf based on FontForge code as LGPL. > > The task is to take some of the FontForge code, turn it into a sfd2ttf > and make it accep

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Mike McCormack
; make which means any configure warnings will most likely be missed. We can try go a step further and pass a non-zero exit code to the shell, so the above fails. The FontForge author has indicated that he will give permission to license sfd2ttf based on FontForge code as LGPL. The task

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Tom Spear
is happy to let us use his code.  So all we really need is someone that has the know-how to do it...  I agree with everyone else here, the easiest solution is to include the binaries, but since we dont like to do that, then the sfd2ttf is the next best possible option, and I prefer that over

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Brian Vincent
On 4/13/06, Molle Bestefich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, thank you for that explanation.And I guess that the FontForge license prohibits using pieces of codefrom there, right?Nope - read Mike's earlier email.  George Williams agreed to relicense the necessary bits under LGPL. -Brian

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Tom Spear
eed is someone that has the know-how to do it...  I agree with everyone else here, the easiest solution is to include the binaries, but since we dont like to do that, then the sfd2ttf is the next best possible option, and I prefer that over making users install fontforge..  It would probably solve a

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Molle Bestefich
Brian Vincent wrote: > > 2.) Seems like slight overkill, considering that the user can just > > install FontForge. > > What is wrong with the simpler solution you mentioned: > > > > > * put a warning about this in configure > > This issue that we can really do decent font support with our fonts

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Brian Vincent
On 4/13/06, n0dalus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe this is a stupid question, but why can't we just distribute thettf files directly?Because we're masochists and prefer to build tools.It's definitely the simple solution and we're capable of doing that.  There used to be issues with having binary

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread n0dalus
On 4/14/06, Brian Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This issue that we can really do decent font support with our fonts and not > building them creates problems. So it'd be really nice to have the fonts > available rather than just warn someone they won't be. Sure, installing > fontforge is

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Brian Vincent
On 4/13/06, Molle Bestefich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2.) Seems like slight overkill, considering that the user can justinstall FontForge.What is wrong with the simpler solution you mentioned:> * put a warning about this in configure This issue that we can really do decent font support with ou

Re: tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-13 Thread Molle Bestefich
Mike McCormack wrote: > As I'm busy with my day job at the moment, we're only missing somebody > to write it. Any volunteers? I'd be happy to volunteer, but.. 1.) I haven't got the knowhow (I don't even know what an sfd file is) :-). 2.) Seems like slight overkill, considering that the user ca

tasklet - sfd2ttf - eliminate dependency on FontForge (for anybody who's interested)

2006-04-05 Thread Mike McCormack
Hi, Wine's build time dependency on FontForge is causing a bit of a problem, as can be seen by browsing the wine-devel archives for the last month. I propose that a small sfd2ttf utility be written and used instead of FontForge to eliminate the dependency, and make everybody a l