Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-15 Thread Jesse Allen
Whoever it is that is wanting to update the HOWTO for the Diablo 2 appdb please email me. I don't have my email address on there for nothing. For whatever reason, I can't see who changes things nor does the appdb email me on changes anymore. Quote from new HOWTO note. "THIS IS A DUPLICATE ENTRY.

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Tony Lambregts
Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: > Lørdag 06 januar 2007 00:28, skrev Kari Hurtta: >> Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >> in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: >>> Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>> >>> in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Lørdag 06 januar 2007 00:28, skrev Kari Hurtta: > Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > > > in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: > > > > "Chri

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Kari Hurtta
Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: > > > "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in > > gmane.comp.emula

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Fredag 05 januar 2007 09:33, skrev Kari Hurtta: > Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: > > > "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in > > > > gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > > On

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Dan Kegel wrote: > The appdb says > "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box > Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" > But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve > a silver or bronze rating. I think what we should have is: [Platinum] Entire program run

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Kari Hurtta
Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: > > "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in > gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Remco
What about a checklist of problems it doesn't have, and basing the rating on that. Something like: Installation: (_) Installs correctly. (_) No installation nessecary to run. (_) Preinstalled on Windows. (x) Doesn't install. [_] Works without an unofficially patched Wine. [_] Works without a co

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Dan Kegel
Chris wrote: Perhapsappdb should check that "Installs?" and "Runs?" column on particular test have "Yes", before it accept "Platinum" to "Rating" column ? Exactly, we need some logic to ensure ratings are correct. I think the fundamental change is that we should remove maintainer rating

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Chris Morgan wrote: On 03 Jan 2007 22:46:31 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: > "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > > The ap

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Chris Morgan
On 03 Jan 2007 22:46:31 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.deve

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Kari Hurtta
>>> Tony Lambregts [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > Kari Hurtta wrote: > > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > > This App is definately not platinum. It does not "run flawlessly out of the > box". I changed the maintainer rating to gold

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Kari Hurtta
"Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > > > > > The appdb says > > > "Only applications which install and r

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Francois Gouget
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dan Kegel wrote: [...] > Silver > Application installs and works well for 'normal' use, but some features may > be broken. For instance, a game that works fine in single-player but > not in multi-player, > or a media player that works fine for mp3 files but not for DRM-protecte

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Tony Lambregts
Kari Hurtta wrote: > "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > >> The appdb says >> "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box >> Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" > > Yes. Also on front page http://appdb.winehq.org/

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
On 1/3/07, Tony Lambregts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First off I think that the AppDB is for users. It is meant to help them run their programs and the rating system is meant to help people know how well that program can be made to run Yes, absolutely. No-CD cracks are not in themselves illeg

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Tony Lambregts
Dan Kegel wrote: First off I think that the AppDB is for users. It is meant to help them run their programs and the rating system is meant to help people know how well that program can be made to run > I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels > (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confu

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Dan Kegel wrote: > Ratings can be quite useful for helping people find good apps; > a gold rating should imply > "doesn't need a HOWTO because it pretty much just works". > > Any app that needs a HOWTO is probably running into wine bugs of some sort. You keep forgetting that unlike windows Linux

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread EA Durbin
You really expect people to have to read HOWTOs? Windows users certainly don't expect to, why should Wine users? Agreed, we can't attract a serious user base and offer it as a viable alternative to Windows if it requires a howto to get working. It should just work. Windows users trying out li

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
Louis wrote: IMHO it's far more important to have a good written HOWTO, than a rating. I'd say a rating like satisfying/not satisfying would be enough, and an application shouldn't have rating without a HOWTO. You really expect people to have to read HOWTOs? Windows users certainly don't expect

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
Alexander Sørnes wrote: Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. They might be illegal in the US, but that doesn't mean they are illegal in other countries. Nevertheless, they are illeg

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Louis Lenders
Frank Richter gmail.com> writes: > > On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: > > No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no > > third-party > > install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. > Well, if you look at the submissions in the appb , we get

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kai Blin
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 19:37, Jeremy White wrote: > If multiplayer support is broken, how on earth can a > game be considered anything but bronze? A huge chunk > of the functionality is missing! I'd still hold that this depends on the game. Anyway, you're right in principle. What I'd like

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Chris Morgan
On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > The appdb says > "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box > Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" Yes. Al

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 19:08, skrev Dan Kegel: > I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels > (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. > > Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are > OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't > think winehq should advocate thei

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kari Hurtta
"Dan Kegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: > The appdb says > "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box > Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" Yes. Also on front page http://appdb.winehq.org/ on first item: The Top-10 Pla

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Jeremy White
Dan Kegel wrote: > I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels > (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. I agree. I also think that most Wine enthusiasts are on crack when it comes to ratings. The fact that an app works well for *my purposes* does *not* make it Gold in my not so h

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Dan Kegel wrote: Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. I've never heard anything about them being illegal over here (which means even if they are it's one of those "retarded laws" that

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. How about this: I hear that Alexandre is going

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. How about this: I hear that Alexandre is going

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kai Blin
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:17, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: > If we are indeed to make further changes, I suggest that we allow a few > cosmetic errors in the Gold and Platinum ratings, but leave them otherwise > unchanged, then add a new 'ultimate' rating that allows no changes or > fla

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 04:00, skrev Dan Kegel: > As Chris Morgan pointed out, > http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings > might need clarification. It now says > > -- snip -- > Platinum > An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs "out > of the box" No changes r

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ivan Gyurdiev
Jan Zerebecki wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:00:20PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: I'd like to change this to make it clear that cracks are a no-no for anything Silver and above, and make Platinum and Gold rather more rigorous: I don't think that is helpful. What is more important: to kn

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Jan Zerebecki
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:00:20PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > I'd like to change this to make it clear that cracks are a no-no for > anything Silver and above, and make Platinum and Gold rather > more rigorous: I don't think that is helpful. What is more important: to know that it works only with

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Frank Richter wrote: On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no third-party install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. Giving a set of points may lead to some people think "hey to run MyApplication I just h

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Richter
On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no third-party install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. Giving a set of points may lead to some people think "hey to run MyApplication I just have to . It's not in t

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread * *
On 1/2/07, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As Chris Morgan pointed out, http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings might need clarification. It now says -- snip -- Platinum An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs "out of the box" No changes required to

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread Dan Kegel
As Chris Morgan pointed out, http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings might need clarification. It now says -- snip -- Platinum An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs "out of the box" No changes required to winecfg. Gold Application works flawlessly with

Re: appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Chris Morgan
On 12/31/06, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The appdb says "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty, http://

Re: appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Enverex
Dan Kegel wrote: The appdb says "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVer

appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Dan Kegel
The appdb says "Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list" But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3603 has al