Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-08 Thread Mike Hearn
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:08:28 +0100, Claus Fischer wrote: > Over the last few days, I have been trying to find out whether > the combination of WTL and Winelib could be a promising > inter-platform GUI solution. It's not - Win32 in general could never be described as "promising" no matter what libr

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-07 Thread Kuba Ober
> WTL on Windows gives me: > - compact executables: small and fast > - easy-to-install executables: no DLLs needed What's wrong exactly with nsis installer? It gives you one .exe file, and the installation can be 100% automatic (no clicks if you want so -- double click on the .exe and in some 10

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 20:41 -0700, Vitaliy Margolen wrote: > Exactly for this goal Borland spent lots of time and money to create > Kylix like environment. I haven't tracked since V2 so I'm not sure if > they ever made C++ Builder for Linux. But that's as close as you can get > to you dream... De

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Monday, February 6, 2006, 10:53:01 AM, Claus Fischer wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:41:40AM -0600, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: [skip] > Perhaps both goals (running as native Windows apps versus > porting to native Linux apps) are mutually incompatible > by nature. Exactly for this goal Borland sp

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Claus Fischer
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:17:08AM -0600, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: : Apparently under Windows you can't build a not trivial exe which : depends only on libc either. That's right. But with WTL, it's possible to build a reasonable sophisticated application that depends only on DLLs that are already

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Claus Fischer
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:41:40AM -0600, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: : You seem to underestimate what the dependencies above mean for the : running Windows system. You depend on the *whole* kernel + GUI : subsystems, including registry and everything else. That's true : for Wine as well, just in the c

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Claus Fischer
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 05:49:24PM +, Robert Shearman wrote: : > - Make gdb work on Winelib programs : http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/winedev-guide/dbg-others : http://wiki.winehq.org/Winelib_binaries_as_ELF_executables_not_%2eexe%2eso Thank you for those hints, apparently the Winelib do

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Robert Shearman
Claus Fischer wrote: Since I'm not familiar with the Wine debugger, it would have been very helpful to be able to use gdb on the resulting executable. However, gdb reported that it didn't know the file format. ==> Wishlist to Wine: - Make gdb work on Winelib programs http://www.winehq.o

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 18:34 +0100, Claus Fischer wrote: > But with WTL, it's possible to build a reasonable sophisticated > application that depends only on DLLs that are already on the > system. > > My biggest WTL application so far, a project for the Austrian > Mountain Rescue Service, has roug

Re: Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 05:08 +0100, Claus Fischer wrote: > BUT: ... BIG SHOCK: That's not a single ELF executable, > it's a weird mixture of PE and ELF and a .so file and > a wrapper program that apparently starts wine in the > background ... > > That doesn't fulfill my goals of building a native

Somewhat disappointing experiences with Winelib and WTL

2006-02-06 Thread Claus Fischer
Hi Wine developers and users! Over the last few days, I have been trying to find out whether the combination of WTL and Winelib could be a promising inter-platform GUI solution. While I have made some progress and got some new knowledge, I believe I have now come to a dead end where I'll have