RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
>Feel free, if you'd like. I did, that's why I knew how quick it was. >But the test suite I'm designing for my project is designed for anyone >to be able to use/run, non-interactively. Requiring sign-ups/logins is >not acceptable for it. Ok.

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Austin English
2009/5/11 Nicklas Börjesson : >>Is possible, but since it requires a login, the script will eventually >>fail from too many login/downloads. > > No, i mean that one would have to register an account for oneself and > manually download the files to a predetermined location. > Using the same account

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
>Is possible, but since it requires a login, the script will eventually >fail from too many login/downloads. No, i mean that one would have to register an account for oneself and manually download the files to a predetermined location. Using the same account for everyone would likely be some kind

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Austin English
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Ken Sharp wrote: > > > Austin English wrote: > >> It's the registering/download manager that makes it not useful. It's >> much harder to script all of that. >> > > Is CS2 too old? > http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/win/cs2/Photoshop_CS2.exe No, actual

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Austin English
2009/5/10 Nicklas Börjesson : >> The idea is to make the test as automated as possible. That way anyone >> can run the tests, not just people with certain programs. > > Ok. Well then, either: > 1. someone can mirror those two files somewhere for easier downloading, > 2. or one adds one or two(quite

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
>It's the registering/download manager that makes it not useful. It's >much harder to script all of that. Why script that? One doesn't need wine to download a file, right? I really don't see what the point would be to test that. Once you downloaded the file, you don't need to download that versi

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
>Photoshop, however, is harder to test, >since it doesn't have an easy free download available. Free photoshop trial download, you do need to register (and download through the "download manager") though: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop I have only tried to install

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
> a better strategy would be to target particular users who only > need one application that is almost working. At least, that's > what the model I wrote told me: > http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/48 That strategy(to no ones surprise) appeals to me, since it feels like common sense, and is cl

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread IneedAname
On Fri, 8 May 2009 18:43:20 +0100 IneedAname wrote: > Windows is not free. You can buy a EeePC running Linux that has 8GB more then > the windows version. Both the Linux and Windows versions are at the same price. Sorry I send this email with out finishing it.

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread IneedAname
On Thu, 7 May 2009 16:47:32 +0100 David Gerard wrote: > Yes. The biggest problem for free-as-in-freedom software - Linux and > GIMP, and to some extent Wine - is that Windows and Photoshop are > effectively free-as-in-beer software ... > > http://autotelic.com/windows_is_free Windows is not fre

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread nn
Great find added link to AppDB entry http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=5392 Thanks. Nat --- On Mon, 11/5/09, Ken Sharp wrote: > From: Ken Sharp > Subject: Re: Shuttleworth on Wine > To: "Austin English" > Cc: wine-devel@winehq.org > R

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Ken Sharp
Austin English wrote: It's the registering/download manager that makes it not useful. It's much harder to script all of that. Is CS2 too old? http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/photoshop/win/cs2/Photoshop_CS2.exe

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Ken Sharp
If anyone has some simple applications that are easy to test (preferably, with no installer), shoot me an e-mail and I'll add it to my my list of applications to look at. Ha. That's a shame because Installshield is a real PITA. ;-)

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-10 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
> The idea is to make the test as automated as possible. That way anyone > can run the tests, not just people with certain programs. Ok. Well then, either: 1. someone can mirror those two files somewhere for easier downloading, 2. or one adds one or two(quite easy) manual step to the installation

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-09 Thread Austin English
2009/5/9 Nicklas Börjesson : >> http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/wine/t124024892240 >> http://www.nabble.com/SOC-2009%3A-Application-Test-Suite-tc22692224.html > > Interesting project. At my workplace, we use TestComplete for testing > GUI-applications, > I have had

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-09 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
> http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/wine/t124024892240 > http://www.nabble.com/SOC-2009%3A-Application-Test-Suite-tc22692224.html Interesting project. At my workplace, we use TestComplete for testing GUI-applications, I have had some problems finding similar applica

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-09 Thread Austin English
2009/5/9 Nicklas Börjesson : > > >>It's the registering/download manager that makes it not useful. It's >>much harder to script all of that. > > Why script that? One doesn't need wine to download a file, right? > I really don't see what the point would be to test that. > Once you downloaded the fil

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-09 Thread Austin English
2009/5/9 Nicklas Börjesson : >>Photoshop, however, is harder to test, >>since it doesn't have an easy free download available. > > Free photoshop trial download, you do need to register (and > download through the "download manager") though: > https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=ph

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-08 Thread Austin English
2009/5/8 Scott Ritchie : > We had "no application regressions" as a release goal for 1.0, more or less > - in practice that meant we were targeting every application users wanted to > test it on.  But there were also 4 specific apps targeted too - IIRC stuff > like word viewer.  In principle there'

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-08 Thread Scott Ritchie
Ben Klein wrote: 2009/5/8 Nicklas Börjesson : And the *rest* of the world DO revolve around a few applications. That is why they think so. No, the rest of the world does not revolve around a few applications, it's just that the #1 complaint against free operating systems has been traditionally

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-08 Thread Ben Klein
2009/5/8 Nicklas Börjesson : > And the *rest* of the world DO revolve around a few applications. > That is why they think so. No, the rest of the world does not revolve around a few applications, it's just that the #1 complaint against free operating systems has been traditionally "it won't run Ph

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-08 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
>I think you're seriously underestimating Wine, and the amount of >'real' work it can accomplish. The world doesn't revolve around Adobe >products, contrary to what many recent converts to GNU/Linux may >think. As usual, I am not talking about myself, but people in generals' perception of it, wh

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/5/7 Austin English : > Though, I must say, the majority of people I see/hear using Photoshop > *are* using it as a toy/hobby, not for 'real' work, i.e., a full time > job. Yes. The biggest problem for free-as-in-freedom software - Linux and GIMP, and to some extent Wine - is that Windows an

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-07 Thread Austin English
2009/5/6 Nicklas Börjesson : > If I were the leader of the wine project, the moment photoshop CS4 works all > the way, that would be the basis of the next stable version(to avoid > regessions to the highest degree).. As has been said plenty of times before, we don't want to base Wine releases ar

RE: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-07 Thread Nicklas Börjesson
-boun...@winehq.org [mailto:wine-devel-boun...@winehq.org] On Behalf Of Remco Sent: den 6 maj 2009 01:35 To: Ben Klein Cc: wine-devel@winehq.org Subject: Re: Shuttleworth on Wine On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Ben Klein wrote: > 2009/5/6 nn : >> >> And the slashdot thread: >>

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Scott Ritchie
nn wrote: Shuttleworth on Wine http://www.osnews.com/story/21438/Shuttleworth_on_Wine Yahoo!7 recommends that you update your browser to the new Internet Explorer 8.Get it now. The reason stuff like this makes the news is because everyone wants to know about Wine in Ubuntu. The

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Remco
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Ben Klein wrote: > 2009/5/6 nn : >> >> And the slashdot thread: >> Shuttleworth Says Ubuntu Can't Just Be Windows >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 > > This is nothing new. It's just now we have a celebrity saying it. Not only that. Canon

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Ben Klein
2009/5/6 Remco : > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Ben Klein wrote: >> Basically, what Shuttleworth is saying is that running Windows apps (whether >> via Wine or via porting) is unimportant to Ubuntu (or the opensource world in >> general) > > He uses the word important, not unimportant. But he a

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Remco
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Ben Klein wrote: > Basically, what Shuttleworth is saying is that running Windows apps (whether > via Wine or via porting) is unimportant to Ubuntu (or the opensource world in > general) He uses the word important, not unimportant. But he also says that the intervi

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Ben Klein
2009/5/6 nn : > > And the slashdot thread: > Shuttleworth Says Ubuntu Can't Just Be Windows > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 This is nothing new. It's just now we have a celebrity saying it. I also don't like the wording used; I'd prefer "Shuttleworth Says Ubuntu Can't

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread Ben Klein
2009/5/6 nn : > > Shuttleworth on Wine > http://www.osnews.com/story/21438/Shuttleworth_on_Wine >From that page: > While Wine might play a role in some user's lives, I must admit that I > personally never felt compelled to use it. Linux has its own set of > applications

Re: Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread nn
And the slashdot thread: Shuttleworth Says Ubuntu Can't Just Be Windows http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 --- On Wed, 6/5/09, nn wrote: > From: nn > Subject: Shuttleworth on Wine > To: wine-devel@winehq.org > Received: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 9:04 AM

Shuttleworth on Wine

2009-05-05 Thread nn
Shuttleworth on Wine http://www.osnews.com/story/21438/Shuttleworth_on_Wine Yahoo!7 recommends that you update your browser to the new Internet Explorer 8.Get it now.