Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-07-26 Thread Dan Kegel
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Pau Garcia i Quiles > wrote: D'oh! Looks like I was fooled by a long-delayed message delivery. The message I replied to is from *six months* ago. I've gotten several of those from winehq in the last day or s

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-07-26 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > In that regard, let me say: this year I am coorganizing the > CrossDesktop DevRoom at FOSDEM and I am truly disappointed we have not > received a single talk proposal about Wine, even though I sent the > call for talks and a reminder to

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-18 Thread Maarten Lankhorst
Hey, Op 17-01-12 22:01, Dan Kegel schreef: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jeremy White wrote: So, exploring #3 a bit further - what if we asked for our own track within FOSDEM 2013? (I presume that would be February 2013 in Brussels) It would let us all get together, allow us to have a f

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Jeremy White wrote: > Thank you for all the replies.  Here is what I've taken away so far: > >  1.  Our intro text was overtly hostile to users.  I've removed that. > >  2.  Potential attendees want a clear agenda. > >  3.  Coordinating with another event remains i

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 04:21:47PM -0600, Vincent Povirk wrote: > > Well, sure.  I was replying to a suggestion that we tack > > wineconf onto the side of, say, http://monospace.us/ > > by saying that I didn't think they'd be interested. > > Do you think they would be? > > Well, most of them are n

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Vincent Povirk
> Well, sure.  I was replying to a suggestion that we tack > wineconf onto the side of, say, http://monospace.us/ > by saying that I didn't think they'd be interested. > Do you think they would be? Well, most of them are not very interested in Wine, but they're not hostile to it either. So it's no

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM Dan Kegel wrote: > > Well, sure.  I was replying to a suggestion that we tack > wineconf onto the side of, say, http://monospace.us/ > by saying that I didn't think they'd be interested. > Do you think they would be?   Well, if they would, it would be the greatest

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jeremy White wrote: > So, exploring #3 a bit further - what if we asked for our own track > within FOSDEM 2013?  (I presume that would be February 2013 in Brussels) >  It would let us all get together, allow us to have a few sessions > targeted at non Wine develop

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Jeremy White
Thank you for all the replies. Here is what I've taken away so far: 1. Our intro text was overtly hostile to users. I've removed that. 2. Potential attendees want a clear agenda. 3. Coordinating with another event remains interesting. So, exploring #3 a bit further - what if we aske

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Steven Edwards wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Dan Kegel wrote: >> From what I recall, the Mono people don't really intend >> to support those apps; they're more into supporting people >> who are writing new apps from scratch. > > There needs to be some

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-17 Thread Steven Edwards
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Dan Kegel wrote: > > From what I recall, the Mono people don't really intend > to support those apps; they're more into supporting people > who are writing new apps from scratch. > There needs to be some mechanism to provide for the legacy user, even if they don't

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-14 Thread Stefan Leichter
Hello, most of the answers i read so far were about the "content" of wineconf. Here are two different ideas: 1. when i looked around a wineconf i noticed that wineconf 2012 is not fixed jet. I know lots of companies here in Germany who ask their employee to announce the plans for the holidays

Re: [Wine] Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-12 Thread gurketsky
Am 11.01.2012 16:23, schrieb Stefan Dösinger: Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012, 23:00:38 schrieb Marcus Meissner: - Users ... as this was brought up Reality check: Wine users will not travel 100s of kms to a standalone conference. This would make sense only if we attach wineconf to another g

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-11 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012, 23:00:38 schrieb Marcus Meissner: > - Users ... as this was brought up > > Reality check: Wine users will not travel 100s of kms to a standalone > conference. > > This would make sense only if we attach wineconf to another general > conference An unconventional t

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM Marcus Meissner wrote: > - Perhaps a shrinking audience is unavoidable. > >   This is a bit of a fact that some projects I have been in found hard to >cope with... That after >   the interest peak it might go down. >    And if you are looking for a reason, one i

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > What about Mono? .NET applications that use P/Invoke won't ever work outside > Windows without Wine, so they kind of need us, and many native applications > now also use .NET, so we kind of need them. Unlike with Samba, the licenses > are

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > - Attaching to other conferences? > > We do not really share much with other projects (please do not bring up > Samba: we don't), > What about Mono? .NET applications that use P/Invoke won't ever work outside Windows without Wine, so

Re: [Wine] Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread perryh
Jeremy White wrote: > the Wine conference has been a mostly annual affair since 2002 ... > It's been in Minnesota about every 3rd year, and is otherwise > 'normally' somewhere in Europe. > > How could Wineconf be different? If you've never been, what would > encourage you to come? One thing tha

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Alex Bradbury wrote: > Another angle on this might be making some changes to WineConf, but > also making a concerted effort to make sure Wine is well represented > at events many developers and users already attend such as FOSDEM and > OSCON. In that regard, let

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote: > >  The workshop elements we introduced in the last years are however more the > direction to go. >  So something of a workshop is my best bet at keeping interest. > > >  Question is whether we can find workshop style things besides "fixin

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:31:11PM -0600, Jeremy White wrote: > Hi All, > > This past Wine conference, while great fun as always, was not as well > attended as Wine conferences in the past. > > So I would like to stir up trouble by suggesting we rethink WineConf. > > For those that have not atte

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Bradbury
On 9 January 2012 18:31, Jeremy White wrote: > So I'd like to ask folks to brain storm with me. > > How could Wineconf be different?  If you've never been, what would > encourage you to come? Another angle on this might be making some changes to WineConf, but also making a concerted effort to mak

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Jerome Leclanche
Users coming to Wineconf will likely want to hear about Wine's development; what improvements they can expect, the progress on their favourite apps, etc. I suspect a great deal of users will also want to share their ideas on what they feel is important in further developments. J. Leclanche On Tu

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-10 Thread Jeremy White
> Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:07 amPost subject: > If you really want users to come, I suggest you change the second sentence on > http://wiki.winehq.org/WineConf. Right now it sends a very clear message that > users are not the least bit welcome. /me winces. I wrote that text; and I ne

Re: Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 01/09/2012 08:31 PM, Jeremy White wrote: > Hi All, > > > If you've been to a technical conference recently that you thought was > well done, what did they do well? Anything we could emulate? I've gave you some of this feedback in person at WineConf in France. First, as long as it is aimed at W

Rethinking WineConf

2012-01-09 Thread Jeremy White
Hi All, This past Wine conference, while great fun as always, was not as well attended as Wine conferences in the past. So I would like to stir up trouble by suggesting we rethink WineConf. For those that have not attended, the Wine conference has been a mostly annual affair since 2002. It is o