Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-12-22 Thread Jeremy White
Hey Tom, > That was slick, the mock up listed Bordeaux under third party apps > and when the site went live it was somehow removed :D > > Well, the mockup had a fairly crummy presentation of Bordeaux; I meant to ask Steven to submit a better put together version, with nicer graphics and such,

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-12-21 Thread Tom Wickline
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jeremy White wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy Newman and Jon Parsh

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-26 Thread Scott Ritchie
Jeremy Newman wrote: > * AppDB, Forums, and Bugzilla will look like the Wiki Sample, just with > their sidebar navs, and content areas. This is why I did not mock them up. > This is probably just a small bug but a commenter on my blog pointed out that you should make the tabs themselves clickabl

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-26 Thread Dimi Paun
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 12:26 -0800, Matt Perry wrote: > > The fonts don't resize correctly in IE6. Go to the view menu and > choose Text Size -> Largest. Only the size of the bullets changes. > This will exclude people from the site that have visual disabilities > such as myself. IIRC IE does not

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-26 Thread Matt Perry
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Jeremy Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > * More IE6 tweaks. The fonts don't resize correctly in IE6. Go to the view menu and choose Text Size -> Largest. Only the size of the bullets changes. This will exclude people from the site that have visual disabilities

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Jeremy Newman
Jeremy White wrote: > 2. Lots of people hate the secondary scroll bar. I love the secondary scroll bar. It allows a larger amount of content to fit into a small space. I did add a "more news" link to the area. That link will take you to a full width news view. Don't forget, the site will als

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread chris ahrendt
Austin English wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big buttons in the >> front - AppDB is only the place to go when you're looking for it (hence >> the button in the upper right) or once you k

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Jeremy White
Thanks for all the feedback, folks; I have to admit that was a bit overwhelming. I've read through it all, and have tried to digest it, below. But I think there is a strong sense here that no one likes a web site designed by committee. Given that, I think the plan will be to adjust based on feed

Fw: Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread James Mckenzie
Sent to wrong mailing list. -Forwarded Message- >From: James Mckenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 25, 2008 9:01 AM >To: Wine Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design > >Daniel Scharrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Daniel Scharrer
The new user-centric design looks promising. Contrary to some others I quite like the round corners and more modern look. Here are a few observations: - Light gray text on a white background is not so nice. - I thought it was called "Wine" and not "WINE" now. Shouldn't the "logo" at the top left

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Francois Gouget
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Scott Ritchie wrote: [...] > Can be improved with minor tweaks: > * The news should be clickable, and take you to a separate news page > with slightly longer stories. Agreed. We should have a separate news page. It could probably work as the news archive page directly: just s

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Steven Edwards
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy N

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Stephen Gentle
It's looking pretty good, but I think that the one at http://caih.org/wine/WineHQ.html is a little better. What I really don't like about them is that everything's a bit too rounded, which looks a little tacky. The icons, tabs, and white backgrounds could all be squarer. Also, the icons and lin

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Ben Klein
There's a lot of talk going on here about "User focus" which is absolutely great. In the 15 years of Wine development, we've accrued quite a large user base (myself included; I've never even written a patch for Wine, and only started using Wine 5-6 years ago). Perhaps these questions need to be ans

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
The Wine design would focus more on users. The 'banner' would be about running your Windows programs on Linux/FreeBSD/Mac and would mention office apps, games and so on. The highlights would show features e.g. support for Win3.1-XP, DirectX capability and so on. Roderick > Roderick Colenbrande

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Vit Hrachovy
Roderick Colenbrander wrote: > The look of the website has improved a lot and it feels a lot more > modern. Personally I don't like the front page much. I find it a bit > empty. I would like to see what Wine is. I would suggest to look at > http://www.go-mono.com the website of the Mono project. On

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Vit Hrachovy
Hi all, I'm really excited about the new redesign effort. Overall the first attempt seemed more consistent. I like the vertical alignment more. I've got troubles to get oriented in the second attempt. Black background of search dialog seems more consistent with the page style. I'm absolutely hap

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-25 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
The look of the website has improved a lot and it feels a lot more modern. Personally I don't like the front page much. I find it a bit empty. I would like to see what Wine is. I would suggest to look at http://www.go-mono.com the website of the Mono project. On their website your directly see o

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Fenn
I like the new style however I can't help but feel that: - The links should be where the news is - The news should be where the links are - There's no about wine text like there is on the old page and I don't think moving it to an "about" page is a good idea. Regards, Andrew

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Scott Ritchie
Jeff Zaroyko wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Austin English wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big buttons in the front - AppDB is on

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Reece Dunn
2008/11/25 Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Cesar Izurieta wrote: >> >> Here's a quick relayout with some of the ideas posted in this thread: >> >> http://caih.org/wine/WineHQ.html > > Ewww. The vertical alignment is much better, and the news dragging to > the bottom is just tacky. I agree.

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Kai Blin
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 01:59:12 Brian Vincent wrote: > - I don't know which search terms people use to find Wine, but this sounds > like a good chance to do some search engine optimization. Dunno. If I enter "wine" into Google, the first hit is www.winehq.org, followed by Wikipedia's Wine(s

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Jeff Zaroyko
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Austin English wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big buttons in the >>> front - AppDB is only the place to go when yo

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Scott Ritchie
Austin English wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big buttons in the >> front - AppDB is only the place to go when you're looking for it (hence >> the button in the upper right) or once you know s

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Austin English
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big buttons in the > front - AppDB is only the place to go when you're looking for it (hence > the button in the upper right) or once you know something about Wine > (henc

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Scott Ritchie
Cesar Izurieta wrote: > > Here's a quick relayout with some of the ideas posted in this thread: > > http://caih.org/wine/WineHQ.html > > Ewww. The vertical alignment is much better, and the news dragging to the bottom is just tacky. We also don't really need a link to AppDB from the big butt

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Klein
A few comments from a long-time supporter and amateur web-developer: * I like the look of it! Very nice work * I agree with previous comments about the nested scroll area, however I believe that a brief News section does belong on the main page. If no other (reasonable) solution is presented, the c

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Austin English
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 1) nested scrollbars are evil. Better to put the news on its own tab, >>> lose the little sidebar the news was in, >>> and have a very small are

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Remco
A few comments from an outsider: * Looks very Web 2.0-ish. Gradients, glossiness, rounded corners, dark background. You might want to tune it down slightly to make it look more polished. But this may just be my personal dislike for Web 2.0 designs. * I am missing an introductory text. It should b

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Cesar Izurieta
2008/11/24 Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jeremy White wrote: >> At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine >> web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in >> place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. >> >> Jeremy N

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Dan Kegel
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 1) nested scrollbars are evil. Better to put the news on its own tab, >> lose the little sidebar the news was in, >> and have a very small area in the main box for just the one most >> important headline. > > I disagre

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Scott Ritchie
Reece Dunn wrote:> > My only comment here is that it would be useful to list the 'Office' > and 'Games' versions, along with the CrossOver version number and the > Wine version number that they are based on. That way it is easier to > tell how far off the Wine tip they are (for example if you need

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Scott Ritchie
Jeremy White wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy Newman and Jon Parshall have put a lot of time and en

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Zachary Goldberg
2008/11/24 Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Looks great so far. Comments: > 1) nested scrollbars are evil. Better to put the news on its own tab, > lose the little sidebar the news was in, > and have a very small area in the main box for just the one most > important headline. > I disagree about

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Wickline
+1 Looks nice :) Tom On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content t

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Reece Dunn
2008/11/25 Brian Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Random thoughts: > - Currently if you go to the wiki, you can navigate back to WineHQ, AppDB, > Forums, etc on the left. The sample doesn't have that. Those links have been moved to the top. As such, they are (or will/should be) consistent throughou

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Brian Vincent
Random thoughts: - I like it. - I agree that there should be a very short description of what Wine does. Probably summarizing it in 2 sentences or so where the "Run Windows Everywhere" currently is. Something like, "Run Windows applications on Linux and OS X without installing Windows. Wine is

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Cesar Izurieta
2008/11/24 Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy Newman and Jon Parshall have

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Reece Dunn
2008/11/24 Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. Another comment: on the wiki page revam

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
On Monday 24 November 2008 22:39:05 Jeremy White wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy Newman and Jon Par

re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Dan Kegel
Looks great so far. Comments: 1) nested scrollbars are evil. Better to put the news on its own tab, lose the little sidebar the news was in, and have a very small area in the main box for just the one most important headline. 2) The main choice text needs to be closer to user tasks. So instead

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Austin English
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:25 PM, John Klehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine >> web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in >> pla

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread John Klehm
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy N

Re: RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Reece Dunn
2008/11/24 Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine > web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in > place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. > > Jeremy Newman and Jon Parshall have

RFC: Proposed new web site design

2008-11-24 Thread Jeremy White
At Wineconf, we made the decision to change the entry page to the Wine web site. The hope was to simplify and stream line it, and to put in place the infrastructure to start moving more content to the Wiki. Jeremy Newman and Jon Parshall have put a lot of time and energy into a proposed new desig