Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-30 Thread Ken Thomases
On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Jeff Cook wrote: > To clarify, it's not about having secret DIB engine code, it's about > saying "I guess we just won't find time to provide useful feedback > until some company sponsors it...", as I saw several times during the > old threads. What Jeremy neglected to

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-30 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Cook wrote: > I hate to stir the pot, especially as an unknown in the community, but > I've spent the last few hours reading WINE's history regarding DIB > engines and it is pretty distressing. > > I have seen expressions of frustration from many regarding the

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-30 Thread James Mckenzie
Michael Stefaniuc wrote: > >Now that "that waive with $$$" isn't very likely as the cost/benefit >ratio isn't very good. More likely is that Codeweavers will start >working on a Quartz driver and that work will make the DIB engine >"cheaper" to implement. Again, this is my *personal* opinion. > I

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-30 Thread Michael Stefaniuc
Jeff Cook wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jeremy White wrote: >>> This could also help. If I recall correctly, Jeremy White mentioned >>> at Wineconf 2008 that this was a major reason they haven't invested >>> serious energy into one themselves: they had a hard time finding an >>> appl

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Austin English
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > One additional note:  We should, as a project, not accept 'broken' code.  I > work with a real-time project and get paid for this that soon will have this > policy in effect.  No broken code, it is way to hard to go back and fix it > later.

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Tom Wickline
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, James McKenzie wrote: > > Also, Max's code has shown up in another 'for pay' project and where > implementation was done, works. Where implementation is not complete, it is > seriously broken. The problem is where it works and does not work is not > cleanly defin

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Jeff Cook
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jeremy White wrote: >> This could also help.  If I recall correctly, Jeremy White mentioned >> at Wineconf 2008 that this was a major reason they haven't invested >> serious energy into one themselves:  they had a hard time finding an >> application that they cared

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Jeremy White
> This could also help. If I recall correctly, Jeremy White mentioned > at Wineconf 2008 that this was a major reason they haven't invested > serious energy into one themselves: they had a hard time finding an > application that they cared about that benefited significantly from a > DIB engine.

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread James McKenzie
Juan Lang wrote: Hi Jeff, this has in fact come up before, and been addressed. The main problem with the current attempt, as far as I know, is that the risk of regressions is so high that only very high quality changes stand any chance of getting accepted. In the case of a DIB engine, the atte

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Juan Lang
Hi Jeff, this has in fact come up before, and been addressed. The main problem with the current attempt, as far as I know, is that the risk of regressions is so high that only very high quality changes stand any chance of getting accepted. In the case of a DIB engine, the attempts have usually r

Re: DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Jesse Allen
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Jeff Cook wrote: > Alexandre is right that the > architecture is a lot of work, but I am not asking for him to write > out a complete spec, and I don't think the community is, either; the > main thing, as far as I can tell, is that the interaction and feedback > on

DIB clarification

2010-08-29 Thread Jeff Cook
I hate to stir the pot, especially as an unknown in the community, but I've spent the last few hours reading WINE's history regarding DIB engines and it is pretty distressing. I have seen expressions of frustration from many regarding the handling of the mostly-functional DIB engine that Massimo w