>Or use a goertzel detector for the transmitted tone(s).
>It is also quite simple to generate sine waves without any trig.
Just another, less advanced, idea,
Even easier would making a really slow square wave(~0.5 Hz) that follows a
simple pattern, like 80, 80, 80, -80, -80, -80, 80, 80, 80...fo
> The name's not that important,though, tbh...
In my experience, good names and structures are really important, since stuff
like this inevitably grows.
And confused newbies needs more explanations than necessary. And other people
gets confused too. :-)
Anyway, something like this, perhaps?
w
>Hello All,
>
>can somebody tell weather it is possible to run NT service on Wine,
>especially written in Delphi VCL(TService)
Regarding Delphi:
TService implements the typical mechanisms of any windows service, it is
actually a pretty simple wrapper, since services are pretty simple things.
>It would be an administration nightmare and probably wouldn't incite the
>developers
>to work harder on those bugs/projects.
A nightmare it would most certainly be.
It is almost impossible to make these decisions without hurting peoples
feelings in, probably, at least haft the cases.
//Nick
I suppose that this only will appear on some bugs and disregarding that people
might put off fixing bugs waiting for it to become a "pay-bug".
Who's going to get the money? It seems quite common that people share credit on
fixing bugs, should we burden Alexandre with the task of deciding that?
Wo
This looks way cool. If no one else have already started, I'll have a go with
PS CS4.
So I looked through the CS2 script and I have two questions:
1. CS4, and many other, currently need some winetricks to install and work.
Can I use winetricks or do I have to break out the downloading and install
>That's a tough question. Note that Photoshop CS3
>installer has been busted for months
Yep, the same problem busts the CS4 installer as well, so both CS3 and CS4 has
gone from working(with tricks, practically flawless in CS4s case) to
non-installable.
>From what I have understood, this is not re
>The link seems to be malformed. Can you resend it? I am really
>interested in looking at this.
>http://www.smipple.net/snippet/moriyoshi/Using%20Objective-C%20ABI%20from%20within%20a%20pure%20C%20code.
The trick, it seems, is to include the dot in the end. Interesting URL
scheme(and snippet)...
> Surely the wine test suite would be a rough guide.
Some more information(a marketwire article):
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Tmax-1013937.html
The company behind it:
http://us.tmaxsoft.com/jsp/main.jsp
//Nicklas
> Not sure, but I see the second time around was a success for him.
Let's not look to hard.
He (or her) does have the right to having an opinion and going out of one's way
finding out and posting here would only appear vindictive and fuel interest.
//Nicklas
> It seems the bugzilla upgrade stopped allowing opening attachments in
> browser.
I can comfirm this on several platforms and browsers.
//Nicklas
>> From almost the first response, the tone was quite condescending
> No.
Here we go. I'll try again. Yes.
>If professionalism means never giving up, even when it has been
>*explained* to you why your idea won't work in practice, then you
>succeeded.
In the end someone did explain, yes. But it
> +1, exactly why I muted the conversation.
Not implying that I would have "won" the conversation or anything
(I obviously didn't), but I did not like the way my arguments
were met at all.
>From almost the first response, the tone was quite condescending
and no one even considered if my ideas h
> +1, exactly why I muted the conversation.
Not implying that I would have "won" the conversation or anything
(I obviously didn't), but I did not like the way my arguments
were met at all.
>From almost the first response, the tone was quite condescending
and no one even considered if my ideas h
>Feel free, if you'd like.
I did, that's why I knew how quick it was.
>But the test suite I'm designing for my project is designed for anyone
>to be able to use/run, non-interactively. Requiring sign-ups/logins is
>not acceptable for it.
Ok.
>Is possible, but since it requires a login, the script will eventually
>fail from too many login/downloads.
No, i mean that one would have to register an account for oneself and manually
download the files to a predetermined location.
Using the same account for everyone would likely be some kind
>So the idiot isn't even subscribed to this group, but is spamming it anyway?
>Don't feed the trolls.
Hi there.
I would have a hard time replying to your posts if I weren't, wouldn't you
think?
//Nicklas
>It's the registering/download manager that makes it not useful. It's
>much harder to script all of that.
Why script that? One doesn't need wine to download a file, right?
I really don't see what the point would be to test that.
Once you downloaded the file, you don't need to download that versi
>make sure you're sending
>mails with the same address you're receiving them on.
That would be it, thanks!
I feel pretty silly, I had registered to the mailing list
as nicklas_at_ws.se, but my sender is my long adress,
nicklas.borjesson_at_ws.se.
It did not use to be that way, I forgot that it h
>When you're not subscribed to the list, your posts have to go through
>moderation. Sometimes that can take a while.
I do subscribe to the list(and did, from the beginning).
Or maybe subscription is more than registering to the mailing list?
>Photoshop, however, is harder to test,
>since it doesn't have an easy free download available.
Free photoshop trial download, you do need to register (and
download through the "download manager") though:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop
I have only tried to install
> a better strategy would be to target particular users who only
> need one application that is almost working. At least, that's
> what the model I wrote told me:
> http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/48
That strategy(to no ones surprise) appeals to me, since it
feels like common sense, and is cl
>I don't believe your earlier mains have been resent. I certainly
>haven't received them.
Ok, then it's ok. I was afraid that there was something wrong.
> The idea is to make the test as automated as possible. That way anyone
> can run the tests, not just people with certain programs.
Ok. Well then, either:
1. someone can mirror those two files somewhere for easier downloading,
2. or one adds one or two(quite easy) manual step to the installation
> http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/wine/t124024892240
> http://www.nabble.com/SOC-2009%3A-Application-Test-Suite-tc22692224.html
Interesting project. At my workplace, we use TestComplete for testing
GUI-applications,
I have had some problems finding similar applica
Hi all,
it seems that some of my earlier mails(and some other) has been re-mailed to
the list.
I don't think that our(here, at my workplace) servers has done this, rather,
it feels like the mailing list server did it.
So understand that I am not bombarding the list.
I see that many are replying
>I think you're seriously underestimating Wine, and the amount of
>'real' work it can accomplish. The world doesn't revolve around Adobe
>products, contrary to what many recent converts to GNU/Linux may
>think.
As usual, I am not talking about myself, but people in generals'
perception of it, wh
>No offense, but you should probably take the lack of (repeated)
>responses as a sign.
I did leave it alone.
That post was a reaction to what I considered as bullying.
The answers has almost never been to anything I have said,
but rather to things I haven't said.
//Nicklas
PS.
No, I am new to t
>However, a developer should be aware of the impact on the user experience and
>the user's determined severity of a problem.
That has been my point all the time. I was told that the users perceptions
were not important since, a least according what I understood,
they could not be trusted to be
I'd say that attitutudes might change, though.
For example, he is mentioning photoshop(of course) which I use at home under
win.
It works great there.
There are only a few quirks with the installation:
1. it need 1.1.17 to work
2. a DLL is needed for the text-tool to work.
3. A winetricks has t
>Guys, y'all are going in a circular argument. No need to cc wine-devel
>on it anymore.
I am rather fed up with it as well, also I will soon not
have any more time for it since I'll be going back to work tomorrow. I've had
stomach flu(!swine) the last week. Circular? More plain disagreement i'd
>You're one guy against the world. So far, no one on this thread has
>responded positively to your proposal to overhaul severities. I'd
>suggest you stop acting like it's an inevitability
Ok then.
>Once again bugzilla is a developer's tool, not a collection of data
>for users. We already have t
>Just changing the default to normal should solve a lot of the problem; people
>are less likely to change the severity level if the one they're >presented
>with looks reasonable.
I think so too. Especially if the selected one, "enhancement" almost certainly
is wrong.
>I know what Major and Cri
As I wrote in my earlier post, Austin told me about the voting functionality,
and If that is considered when priorities are made, it is likely to keep
things pretty on track, making my proposed changes far less important.
I still think my thoughts aren't that off anyway, but now they feel a
bit mo
>I think this argument is circular...Wine has no shortage of bugs being
>reported, we have plenty of new users reporting bugs, and new
>developers contributing often. You're proposing adding an extra
>severity rating that no developer will look at, and will only add to
>confusion (users now have to
>>> How many times does this have to be repeated? Severity levels are NOT
>>> determined by how much a user wants the app to work. They're just not,
>>> deal with it.
>>
>> I have never said it is, either.
>> I said it think it should be determined by how severe the user thinks
>> it is(if d
>Why should there be multiple support forums?
Well, not forums, but as I said different lists for different kinds
of applications(games/business/graphics), since they should(?) have related
problems.
I would think so, anyway.
>The wiki has _a lot_ of info, most of the time when bugs are closed
>How many times does this have to be repeated? Severity levels are NOT
>determined by how much a user wants the app to work. They're just not,
>deal with it.
I have never said it is, either.
I said it think it should be determined by how severe the user thinks
it is(if devs then cares about
>No it isn't. It's an indication on how many people think they're more
>important than anyone else filing a bug.
I think that you are wrong. Granted, some people do, they are called morons.
But most people aren't morons. They are people, and to them, the issue really
is critical. At least they
>So you suggest making the severity ratings meaningless to anyone but
>... well, you don't actually mention anyone knowing what they *really*
>mean, but I assume an exclusive clique of developers or bugzilla
>admins? Users have different opinions on what level of bug they
>encounter depending on wh
>To every Wine user, their application not working is critical. This is
>clear by all the bugs that are logged incorrectly every day, because
>nobody bothered reading the FAQ.
Yep, but that's more an indication on how much work remains to be done on wine
than it is an incorrect severity level.
>I disagree. When first introduced to them, I found the severity levels
>to be suitably vague to make me read the definitions. Once I read
>them, it was clear to me what each level means.
Suitably? Do you mean that the severity levels are the way they are to make
people read their definitions?
> You'd be surprised...
We'll I've looked around at "invalids", but to me it seems that people in
general(with a few exceptions of course), tries quite hard until they file a
bug report.
At least way harder than they do in other FOSS projects I have been involved
in, so I can't really say that I
Ok..you seem to have misunderstood the tone in my mail.
>Without common sense, all bug reports would be "Enhancement" requests,
>or "Critical", depending on how arrogant the reporter is. Common sense
>must *always* be applied.
I should be needed to be applied only to the least possible amount. On
>I think "middle-aged college English teacher who couldn't code if her life
>depended on it" counts as non-technical. :-) The only thing that sets me
>>apart from most users is the fact that I actually do RTFM, but that's just
>because I'm one of those eccentric academics who thinks reading is
>The problem is, however, that many of those problems only break an
>application or two. What is a blocker for Photoshop isn't a blocker
>for World of Warcraft or Microsoft Office, for example.
You mean because Photoshop often use the more obscure parts of the APIs?
Otherwise bugs in GUI shouldn'
ation thing. But that's
not the point.
DS.
-Original Message-
From: Austin English [mailto:austinengl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sat 2009-05-02 20:56
To: Nicklas Börjesson
Cc: wine-devel@winehq.org
Subject: Re: Severity levels
2009/5/2 Nicklas Börjesson :
>>Wine is meant to suppo
user-oriented.
Non-technical? Posting on and following the wine-devel list? Severity levels
perfectly clear?
I must say, you've got some serious credibility issues.. :-)
//Nicklas
-Original Message-
From: Rosanne DiMesio [mailto:dime...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sat 2009-05-02 19:
>Wine is meant to support _ALL_ windows applications. It doesn't give
>priority to 'server' or 'desktop' applications (there is no
>difference, really), but instead tries to make all of them work.
Yes, but I wasn't talking about server applikations per se, but that the
severity levels would be pe
Ok, I have made better posts.
>> 1. Blocker "Blocks development and/or testing work"
>>
>> - Is this even possible?
>Yes.
I am sorry. Of course it is possible to have these problems. I thought it meant
that it blocks ALL
development and/or testing work(since it is above critical).
In the l
I am not sure that common sense is the issue. I think it is a question of who
you are and what you know.
Among the ones submitting bugs now is a quickly rising percentage of
normal-to-advanced end users, and that percentage is likely to rise even
further, as Linux adoption rates increase. 10 mi
Hi all!
First, I couldn't find any list more suitable than this one to comment the
severity levels in the bug reporting so I post it here. If this was a really
bad thing to do, please tell me were to do so.
Secondly, don't take this wrong, I am not here to preach, I actually think this
is a se
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