Contrary to what I said before, here is another attempt
for my CMD patch series.
Thanks to Frederic for reviewing this again, I made the
suggested changes.
Martin Wilck (5):
cmd/tests: add tests for command line parsing
cmd: use GetCommandline() rather than argv
cmd: improve parsing of
said that I'd address issues with my code, and I will. Anyway, I
was lucky that Dan and Frédéric did review my code again, and so I'll
take another shot, contrary to what I said before.
Regards
Martin
ctual Wine code. I believe
this project needs to think over its policies. I fully understand
that a project this big needs to take a lot of care to maintain
qualitiy standards. But the way this is currently working is
discouraging and frustrating for casual contributors like myself.
Martin Wilck (
his subject. Indeed
the two functions have essentially the same purpose. However I don't
feel bold enough to try fixing that as long as my current stuff isn't
accepted.
Originally, all that I wanted to fix was 'echo "Hi"'. I have gone quite
a few steps ahead from there with my current patch set. When I see this
getting merged I'll consider further fixes, but I won't be able to
follow up *much* further.
Best regards
Martin
line.cmd,
with the whole series applied?
> Oddly, everything was fine on my other machines, it was only the i7
> that detected a problem.
What could that mean? My stuff is pretty elementary, how could that be
CPU-dependent? What does warn+heap have to do with it?
Martin
urpose. It makes figuring out problems *way* easier. I
hate counting lines in the .exp file just to see which test was failing.
However, if that's a blocking point for getting the patches applied, it
will be no problem to change that.
Martin
Hi Dan,
> on my i7 machine, your patch series fails every time for me when run
> normally. Here's the log:
Did you apply only this one, or also 3/9 which is supposed to fix the
test results? Frédéric already told me that I should have submitted the
patches in o
orrectly register via
> http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-patches?
I was hoping this was an open ML (and last time tried it was). OK, I'll
subscribe and re-submit.
> Nice job by the way.
Thanks a lot, it seems that you took on a big task with cmd, good luck!
Martin
ins.cmd is a nightmare.
> Also, see http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2011-August/091817.html
I'm not sure why you're telling me that. My patches aren't about
performance but correctness. They won't affect performance negatively,
either.
Regards,
Martin
PS: a
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 17:09 -0700, Archie Robertson wrote:
> so If somebody could point me in the
> right direction I should be able to get this working.
Hi Eric, hi everyone,
as you may already know, my patch is obsoleted by your commit
91e3a40e412a6c04cfaf8f6d0d3d16a1a4c4bfdb.
Thanks!
Martin
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attention now.) :-)
Hopefully you can see this thread on the Evernote bulletin board:
http://forum.evernote.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=18674
Thanks, Martin
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email:
Thanks Hans! Have asked Evernote whether 3.0 could be supported in their
code.#
Cheers, Martin
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Twitter ID: MartinPacker
"One Tribe Y'all" :-)
ting an earlier release before they exit their beta. So I'd like to
"negotiate" with them so that they go back far enough to meet what WINE
can support.
Evernote, though splendid people with a fine offering, have no plan to
write a Linux client. Today Evernote 3.1 runs just fine on
Where are we with supporting iTunes?
I've not seen anyone recently say it works. Installing doesn't seem to
work on 1.1.26.
I'd've thought it would be a popular package to support.
Just wondering where we are with it. (And whether help is needed.)
Thanks, Martin
Marti
?), not as
a PE exported API function. Pre-loaded "antivirus" would be able to
hook Winsock functions + some other important stuff and then check if
the binary code is not on the list.
Martin
n location (or load library), let me know, we'll remove
WINEGATE.DLL and change it to your way. Otherwise I think it's waste
of time as you are not accepting that Win32 application should be able
to load native Linux lib.
Martin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Dan Kegel wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Martin Hinner wrote:
>> Just to add few comments at once, the problem is solved for us
>> (libwinegate.dll.so is shipped with the software, we'll have to
>> recompile it when libwine/
t, consider it public domain. But I think the point of this library
was that if it is compiled WITH wine package, it would smoothly solve
dependency problems (i.e. no need to carry separate
WINEGATE-libcX-OSy-platformZ libraries).
Martin
Detlef,
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> Just use this infos:
> hdll = LoadLibraryA("libwine.dll");
> wine_dlopen = GetProcAdress(hdll, "wine_dlopen");
> wine_dlsym = GetProcAdress(hdll, "wine_dlsym");
> wine_dlclose = GetProcAdress(hdll, "wine_dlclose");
The LoadLibr
out such library in Wine, it
would just require us to maintain separate libraries for different
libc or wine versions. Having it in wine distribution would solve this
problem smoothly, reducing our task only to maintain native Linux
shared lib for hardware access. If anything changes in your position,
let me know, I am willing to help with it.
Martin
Ben,
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ben Klein wrote:
> 2009/2/14 Martin Hinner :
> Wine is (or has been) working on a driver system to handle native
> Windows USB device drivers via libusb, for things like printers and
> scanners where there are no Linux-native drivers. This
I was searching for "winegate.dll", not just plain winegate. I
meant that there will likely be no collision with other .DLL.
Now it finds my post + some garbage. Google is damn fast.
Martin
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Detlef Riekenberg wrote:
> On Sa, 2009-02-14 at 05:39 +0100, Martin Hinner wrote:
> Hi Martin.
> Thanks for your interest in Wine.
> I read your Mail, and my first impresion was: not needed
>
> After downloading winegate.tar.gz and reading the
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Ben Klein wrote:
> 2009/2/14 Martin Hinner :
>> Purpose of this Wine DLL is to allow Windows applications to use
>> directly Unix library functions. This is useful for example for
>> applications which talk to specific drivers and
cation
which uses this library, go to http://www.jtagtest.com
I have chosen name Wingate because google did not reveal any other
use of such name and I think it fits it's purpose. Feel free to
suggest any other names or just rename the library.
Martin
ineconsole --backend=curses", the user could make all
implicitly opened consoles be curses based consoles -- if --use-event
wouldn't reset the backend back to user as it does at the moment.
Regards,
// MartinFrom 1e63403183c6ff2a92f62f9c2e42d7cc9d8c0dfe Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Ma
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Martin Storsjö <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But there may of course be other reasons for using poll, which I don't know
about.
select() not only has a hard limit on the number of file descriptors
(1024
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Kai Blin wrote:
On Sunday 30 November 2008 00:52:57 Martin Storsjö wrote:
poll can't handle terminal devices on Darwin, since Tiger. See the
following discussion:
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Apr/msg00066.html
There's reasons we switched from
t; two headers enough wineconsole - I have no idea. Alexandre knows better ;-)
> Try and see ;-)
Ok, thanks!
> Yes, and mark a new mail subject with tag '[try 2]' to easily distinguish
> between different version of the same fix.
Sigh, I somehow managed to forget adding this when mailing the second
attempt. Oh well...
// Martin
AVE_SYS_SELECT_H? Or would sys/time.h, sys/types.h and
unistd.h be enough to consider it reasonably compatible?
After fixing this, I guess I should just submit a new patch against the
current upstream git (not against the old patched version), with the same
commit message, replacing the old one?
// Martin
Backtrace:
=>1 0x7ef9bb60 myGR3DebugBreak()
[/home/martin/Code/wine/wine-1.1.4-findbuggr3/dlls/ntdll/heap.c:1191] in ntdll
(0x0033eb44)
2 0x7ef9e07b RtlAllocateHeap+0x58b(heap=0x438, flags=2, size=8388608)
[/home/martin/Code/wine/wine-1.1.4-findbuggr3/dlls/ntdll/heap.c:1313] in ntdll
large enough that Windows allocates it
> with VirtualAlloc or something like that.
Any hints on how I would do that? I'm pretty new to this...
Regards,
Martin
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this particular case, I think the crash log does not really indicate
> an alignment problem, but a "x/i $eip" in winedbg on the crash might
> help to check further. I suspect a [edx-1] address while edx contains a
> NULL pointer.
x/i $eip does not show anything after the addres
rtion due to 8-byte alignment (or lack thereof).
If N is 4 * x, then GR3 crashes. If N is 4 * x + 2, it does not crash. I tested
this with the following values: 1 2 3 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 200 202 204 206
1020 1022 1024 1026. The sizeof (SUBHEAP) is 32 for N=0.
Martin
--
Pt! Schon vom
blem. It merely changed the
size of SUBHEAP to a problematic value.
I don't really understand the inner workings of heap.c. Does anyone have an
idea what the cause might be, or where to look for more information?
Cheers,
Martin
P.S. Link to the bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
inside that function but shortly afterwards. It's just that the crash is
affected by the result of RegisterDeviceNotificationW.
Wouldn't it also be more consistent, if *A and *W did the same thing?
Martin
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orry - I could not yet verify it - please mail back it there other
issues.
Regards,
Martin
Am 17.07.2008 um 19:26 schrieb Dan Kegel:
> While valgrinding Picasa, I came across the following valgrind error
> in winefile. (My daily valgrind runs only run the conformance
> suite,
know I can get the Windows-PIDs using winedbg->info process but there
is no trace of Unix PIDs there. Also, I need a scriptable way to do
this, best being a small app that gets a Unix PID and prints the
matching Windows PID to console.
greetz Martin
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ry it out or give me any other
feedback, that would be appreciated.
Thanks for any feedback!
Martin
diff --git a/dlls/dsound/sound3d.c b/dlls/dsound/sound3d.c
index 2397f52..45015ec 100644
--- a/dlls/dsound/sound3d.c
+++ b/dlls/dsound/sound3d.c
@@ -762,6 +762,18 @@ s
Hello,
what about asking the developer where he got his information? ;-)
If I remember correctly, I found this logoff dialog function using
Google on one of those "undocumented Windows 95" web pages when adding
it to the original ROS Explorer.
Regards,
Martin
Am 23.05.200
In fact I would
need only dlopen() and dlsym(), maybe also uname() :-).
This library could be loaded from Win32 app using LoadModule(..) on-demand.
Martin
e routines) and get it quickly running under Linux.
I can do all above by writing some built-in dll that would work just
for my case, but I think *maybe* it's worth it to provide some generic
interface in Wine??
Martin
tion was about loading Linux .so files directly from
.exe. How do we load (dlopen, dlsym) a .so library from .exe running
under Wine ? This would solve our problem.
Martin
to communicate from "wined"
application with some Linux program using technique other than TCP or
Unix socket ? If no - is it possible to open Unix socket from our win
app ?
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http://www.auto-diagnostics.info
sage gets dropped? Before that commit nothing was
> passed in flags high word, which is probably why this problem wasn't
> happening.
I just wanted to say that that JA2 is the most unstable windows game i ever
played (on windows XP!). JA2 crashing is a 100% natural Windows behaviour.
Most times it just became unresponsive and the music was still playing in the
background...
Martin
On Monday 05 November 2007 08:09:03 Tom Wickline wrote:
> On 11/5/07, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree that this isn't something that should continue. Kicking should
> > be reserved for people being disruptive. There is no reason to be
> > anything other than polite to users aski
for now.
Little bit late but maybe the "vote for a bug" feature in bugzilla should not
only be a indicator for what should be fixed for 1.0 but also be more
advertised.
Martin Bosner
d since then...
>
>
>
>
There are just not enough human resources fot that... But the
releasenews for each new wine version should cover most interesting
things that had happened. The short way.
Martin
Does this mean that the current _painfully_ slow Imperialism II that
uses the DIB drawing to draw it's in game maps will work faster? I'm
waiting for this functionality and have pledged $20 just in case it
can spur on the solution.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On 08/09/2007, Jesse All
it means it hit the bug we are finding regression patch for"
How does it sound to you?
Martin
2007&submit=Go
Would you be interested in joining forces, working together and integrate
your script into CxTest backend?
Martin
> Hello Martin
>
> If you cd into the 3DMark2000 install directory and run it from there
> does it work?
>
> Tom
Thanks Tom, that was it. I got a bit further, the message I got this time is:
3DMark could not initialize your 3D Accelerator. Try to downgrade your
display s
> is wined3d built?
That was it - I was missing some dev libs. Thanks!
I fixed that, now I am receiving this error:
Not all of the E2 drivers were found. Check that you have 3DMark installed
properly.
Attached are the log files from installation and run.
Martin
3dmark2000log.tar
irectDrawRenderer key at all. Also, glxgears
runs fine, xdpyinfo says GL is there (ATIFGLEXTENSION, ATIFGLRXDRI, GLX,
SGI-GLX extensions are present).
Martin
;y_from=2007&m_to=8&d_to=2&y_to=2007&submit=Go
Please have a look whether this is (roughly) what you need.
To make this useful, we need to solve 'DirectX detection failed' bug, so we
can run real tests nightly. Could you send me ~/.wine directory you are
using with latest WineHq?
Thanks,
Martin
Stefan Dösinger wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 31. Juli 2007 16:42 schrieb martin pilka:
>> Hello Stefan,
>>
>> link works, I was able to run your test. Installation is ok, however test
>> itself ends with '3DMark Error': '3DMark needs DirectX 7 and proper d
r newer is correctly detected during
installation process.
Is it a bug in my configuration, or did I hit some Wine error?
Thanks,
Martin
Stefan Dösinger wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 31. Juli 2007 12:28 schrieb martin pilka:
>>> With Francois' help I could build a test package for 3DMark2000 n
rk results are sent to the
> server yet(just ok / fail).
Stefan, this link is not valid anymore, could you make the file available
again?
Thanks,
Martin
library.
Regards,
Martin
On 24.07.2007 07:06:08 Alexandre Julliard wrote:
Module: wine
Branch: master
Commit: 11bb71d3d6a34d301291b2d15c849a1381bd7789
URL:
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commit;h=11bb71d3d6a34d301291b2d15c8
49a1381bd7789
Author: Michael Stefaniuc <[EMAIL PROTEC
_from=1&d_from=1&y_from=2007&m_to=1&d_to=15&y_to=2007&submit=Go
Martin
PptViewer, Picasa, Direct3D tests - optional, user will be
asked whether he has 3D acceleration and wants to run them, since they make
computer unusable for the duration of the test)
Martin
cxtest_direct3d_20070724.ods
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet
tweak it together.
Martin
eenshots of it. I am
working on small specification draft what we could do in first iteration.
Thanks,
Martin
Hi,
any hint why this patch was not yet applied?
Regards,
Martin
On 13.05.2007 19:04:25 Martin Fuchs wrote:
Changelog:
implement SheGetDirA/W and SheChangeDirA/W in shell32
This functions are needed for the good old winfile.exe of NT4.
Index: dlls/shell32/shlfileop.c
things around), we should just extend current
implementation with ability to generate 2D graphs, then we have everything in
one place (Wine make test results, Direct3d performance results) instead of
several web pages with pieces of information.
Martin
Dan,
on YAWT homepage, I read:
"YAWT can be used either standalone, or as part of the cxtest.org automated
regression test suite for Wine"
You mean, it can generate result emails which can be parsed by CxTest server?
Or how does it work?
Thanks,
Martin
Dan Kegel wrote:
> Vit H
r this. We are trying to provide such information i.e. here:
http://www.cxtest.org/product-evaluation?id_product=3&id_failure=170&m_from=1&d_from=1&y_from=2007&m_to=1&d_to=15&y_to=2007&submit=Go
It is clear that there was a regression between 070109 and 070110.
Martin
mpty? And what is tested under
i.e. 'NT 4' column? Same tests are ran against same Windows version every day?
Thanks,
Martin
gqview
interface), both presented as packages in standard Debian. These fuzzy compare
images. You can find some images which can be used as input here:
http://dl.ifne.eu/image_matching.tar.gz
Results vary, findimagedupes is quite good, however its accuracy is below 100%.
Martin
Stefan Dösinger wrote:
> --no-vnc works fine for me for playing tests, but it does not work for
> recording tests.
VNC was never hard requirement of CxTest, we are using it to guarantee same
testing environment everywhere. However, it is been a while I ran it without
VNC, let me check.
Martin
Hello Stefan!
> We don't have to transfer all the rendering screenshots over VNC though.
> I am CCing Martin Pilka on this, maybe he can give us some more insight.
I apologize for late answer - I was (and still am) ill. However, now I read
whole thread, let me summarize the goal
I see Bryan already submitted patch for this. Going to try to install
libxml-dev thing in meantime.
Thanks,
Martin
> Hello,
>
> I just tried to compile Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 and Ubuntu 7.04 (both updated). On
> both machines, I got following error:
>
> make[2]: Entering direc
ation specifiers or ‘...’ before
‘xmlNodePtr’
make[2]: *** [attribute.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mpilka/cxtest/wine/dlls/msxml3'
make[1]: *** [msxml3] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mpilka/cxtest/wine/dlls'
make: *** [dlls] Error 2
Just wanted to let you know that,
Martin
Woot, thank you so much!
Stefan Dösinger, is this a time to ask you for help getting the really
really easy bug in X11DRV_DIB_MapColor, oh go on pretty please with
sugar on top?
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6670
On 11/05/07, Raymond Barbiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> continuein
bviously I'm not familiar with the code so I'd be grateful for any comments.
Martin.
but we have a flash 9 player...
On 14/04/07, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Novell did a survey last year to find out what ten apps
people most wanted ported to Linux. I've put a copy
of the results into our wiki here:
http://wiki.winehq.org/LinuxApplicatonRequestSurvey
Wine seems far
bviously I'm not familiar with the code so I'd be grateful for any comments.
Martin.
In all likelihood; personally I find just the results to be amusing
where wine developers discover just how daft the windows api really
is. that in it's self has entertainment value to push ever onwards.
so no C programmers need apply.
I'm a VB programmer of 5 years, I wouldn't take a job doin
Mike McCormack wrote on Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 06:42:25PM +0900:
>
> Martin Cracauer wrote:
>
> >The game "TacOps" (a standalone 2D wargame, not to be mixed up with
> >the Unreal mod "Tac Ops") uses home-grown scrollbars. They have
> >autorepeat, t
icons in the scrollbars
will hang the application without the patch and will work with the
patch. Please mail me if you want a better walkthrough.
In case the patch attachment gets stripped by the list I put a copy of
the patch here:
http:
Francois + 1 Jozef), both failed with same
screenshot
So there is a regression between Jan 8 and Jan 9 - unfortunately, I do not
know GIT_ID. Should I create bug for this?
If you want to join Wine automated testing process, go to
http://www.cxtest.org/download and install CxTest.
Martin
It might be an idea to look into it, start ie or what ever your using
with debug flags and see whats happening. there might be an error
which doesn't kill wine but slows it down in an important way.
On 12/18/06, Molle Bestefich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dan Kegel wrote:
> Today I saw one that s
Perhaps we can have some kind of anti-turing award instead for
outrageous computer use.
On 12/9/06, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Stefan wrote:
>What we noticed pretty fast was that at least 3 windows boxes were infested
>with a bunch of malware, and trying to infect each other over netwo
Count me in for $150 too, as long as it's complete.
On 11/22/06, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 11/22/06, Andreas Mohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Mirek wrote:
> > The aim is to prepare all apps below working under the Windows on Nvi
1000-b7f42000 Deferredlibwine.so.1
ELF b7f44000-b7f5f000 Deferredld-linux.so.2
Threads:
process tid prio (all id:s are in hex)
000f (D) C:\windows\temp\setup.exe
00100 <==
000c
000e0
000d0
Best Regards, Martin Owens
again. Is that
enough?
Martin
have results from WineHq "make test" just
recently and from the beginning of this month there are only few results,
anyway they points to the date Oct 6. Does that help?
Martin
I wonder if we can get the shockwave player working with the linux
version of linux via some kind of wine layer instead of installing
firefox for windows.
On 10/5/06, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I admit, I cruise new blog posts just to see what people are writing about Wine.
Today I sa
It sounds like a general framework for routing these kind of raw disk
i/o would be useful... probably configurable by app would be most
useful.
thoughts?
I agree, a sandbox system where the 'litter box' (a sand box to put
all your crap) would hold potentialy dangerous direct disk accesses to
It's a very very bad idea, I don't understand why linux doesn't
protect normal users corrupting the disk at byte level that just seems
really bad for security.
On 10/4/06, Aaron Slunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jesse Allen wrote:
> Guys, Wine programs can write to the MBR already with correct
>
Technically yes, but the difference is that VMware actually writes
_everything_ into that one file vs wine proposing to write just what is
written to the boot sector into a file..
The reason it is different, is because it is much more difficult (if not
impossible) to tell what is boot sector and
On 10/3/06, Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think
> that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy
> protection measures would be illegal because writing to a file (registry,
Re Copy Protection.
be quite hard to make this work I think?
It would be quite dangerous to make this work.
What about creating a file say with a fake data map, wine thinks it's
the direct access to the hard drive where all this information is
held. all we do is add the place where the data st
Hello Dan,
interesting, and actually not hard to do. I created bug for this (in our
internal CxTest bug list).
Thanks,
Martin
Dan Kegel wrote:
> It occurred to me that one problem with cxtest.org
> is that it's hard to browse the results of a particular application -
> and th
f anyone would like to guide me to how to fix this issue, I have the
cvs checked out and this was taken with the latest checkoiut.
Thanks
Best Regards, Martin Owens
It's 'command &> file' to take both the STDOUT and STDERR into a file.
seems a bit messy to do 'command > file 2> &1'.
I'll work with Imperialism II first, it's my second favourite game
after Imperialism II but I think it'll be easier to fix.
On 7/14/06, Olaf Leidinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well you've managed to be quite polite and considerate so I owe you at
the very least my full co-operation if not my apologies.
Some info below:
>
> I'll provide logs and things if asked.
A +ddraw,+d3d7 log would be useful
export WINE_DEBUG=+ddraw,+d3d7 (the way this debug flag thing
n just making
sure World of WarCraft has a nice fps.
Grave Regards, Martin Owens
or cd drives and depends on the file system in linux to do
the leg work.
On 6/25/06, n0dalus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/25/06, Martin Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> which if we could get our hands on the source code would at least give us
> more information about how t
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