On Wednesday 05 April 2006 09:45, Robert Reif wrote:
> One problem that I am seeing is that there is no practical way to
> guarantee synchronization between the sound card hardware and the
> sound card thread. OSS doesn't support poll/select reliably in
> all drivers and the esd driver just writes
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 08:27, Willie Sippel wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 4. April 2006 16:46 schrieb Andreas Mohr:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:36:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:34, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > > &g
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:42, Segin wrote:
> Although I have ALSA in my kernel, I also use the OSS compatability, and
> on top of that, use more regulary than ALSA directly. I use OSS in Wine
> cause the WineALSA driver is fustrating, and wants odd settings
> (something about DirectSound emulat
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 21:47, Aneurin Price wrote:
> Con Kolivas wrote:
> > Is it kernel dependant? Does 2.6.11 for example exhibit the problem or
> > only recent kernels? Or has noone tried an older kernel like that?
> Just to reiterate since everybody seems to forget this
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:46, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:36:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:34, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > > And this all should work perfectly well with NON-soft-realtime
> > > s
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:06, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > Is it kernel dependant? Does 2.6.11 for example exhibit the problem or
> > only recent kernels? Or has noone tried an older kernel like that?
>
> I think this has been a problem since time immemorial. Previous
> discussions like this one have
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:34, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:10:37AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:06, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > > I think for now I shall just maintain this patch out of tree so savvy
> > >
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 00:49, Mike Hearn wrote:
> >>> Don't give up now as you will convince everyone else there is no
> >>> solution and only your patch will make games work. Your attitude is
> >>> defeatist because you're convinced that real time scheduling is your
> >>> saviour.
>
> I don't
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 23:29, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > I know I didn't offer a solution, just standard rules for multithreaded
> > application writing. The fact that wine is a compatibility layer rather
> > than its own application is most of your problem. Is there no way wine
> > could have an audi
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 23:46, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > By infinite loop I assume you mean it is sleeping, not burning cpu... But
> > anyway, is this a separate thread or part of a monolithic "wine"?
>
> Right, it blocks on a message pipe. It's a separate thread.
>
> > I think fragile is too harsh a
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 22:42, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > What strikes me is that people are very happy to think that the kernel is
> > going to fix this problem. I have to tell you there will be no more
> > infrastructure put into the kernel anytime soon to help you here.
>
> I'm confused about this p
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 01:47 am, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [sneaked in another CC, JFYI ;]
Oh hi! This is the first time this thread has been brought to my attention.
> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 04:29:43PM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > And even then, SCHED_ISO is a long way off and may never be merg
Jeremy White wrote:
Hi all,
This is simply a renaming and reorganizing post; Dimi wacked me
with a clue bat, and I am now looping Ingo Molnar into this
conversation (and I am doing it at great haste since he
made noises about helping ).
The thread started here:
http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/win
Ove Kaaven wrote:
fre, 14,.01.2005 kl. 13.06 +1100, skrev Con Kolivas:
Well the scheduler is not going to be rewritten any time soon (trust me,
I've tried :P). Tell me what remaining requirements your threads have
that you are unable to achieve at the moment and I'll see if I can hel
Jeremy White wrote:
Photoshop has a thread that runs that samples the mouse position every 5
ms;
if it doesn't get it's samples in the right amount of time, you don't
draw smooth curves. (It may be a timer event callback routine,
or a thread that is woken up by a timer event, I can't recall exact
Jeremy White wrote:
Specifically, there are other areas of interest when you think about
timing and scheduling. First is the Windows very clear cut 'foreground
window' boost. I have no idea how this maps into the Linux
interactivity strategy. They seem to be roughly equivalent, and I
never found
Jeremy White wrote:
Fyi,
I spent a great deal of time this past fall exploring Wine scheduling
issues, and I thought I would post what I learned.
The most critical point is Wine was pretty badly broken;
it simply had a number of flaws in how scheduling was done.
First, the winmm timer, used by a lo
Michael Buesch writes:
Quoting Andreas Mohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi,
On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 10:07:18PM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> Audio runs as a separate thread outside of wine potentially through who
> knows how many layers as a combination of both process and kernel
> co
Mike Hearn wrote:
Other solution is just to detect this and ask the user to rerun Wine
as root. I don't think that'd be a big deal.
But then that brings up the issue of users not being able to run wine
merely because they don't have root access, i.e. users on a Linux system
in a business environm
Robert Shearman wrote:
Mike Hearn wrote:
I wouldn't trust it. An app just misbehaving can trash important
parts of your filesystem. Suid root is just a bad idea, windows being
linux aware or not. Just for mild amusement I think someone being
funky got a windows virus to work under wine if I reca
Mike Hearn wrote:
I wouldn't trust it. An app just misbehaving can trash important parts
of your filesystem. Suid root is just a bad idea, windows being linux
aware or not. Just for mild amusement I think someone being funky got
a windows virus to work under wine if I recall correctly.
Sure. Do
Ove Kaaven wrote:
søn, 29.08.2004 kl. 04.13 skrev Michael Chang:
I argued with myself about the logic in this for ages. The best I could
come up with is - I don't know :| I'd need to know about windows
scheduling (which I don't)
Obviously, if Win apps have been written to expect this, there's
doc
Mike Hearn wrote:
Well, apparently we don't use sched_yield, so the problem must
lie somewhere else. Maybe Con can help us out here? Alexandre says he
doesn't know what the issue is either and somebody needs to
investigate. I
guess we do need to concern ourselves over the details :)
Interesting
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