Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread James McKenzie
Ben Klein wrote: > On 10 March 2010 12:19, James McKenzie wrote: > >> Juan Lang wrote: >> > How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? > > >> It is not. Thus we should NOT include Java in the package. We should >> have a Wiki article just like these do on how

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Ben Klein
On 10 March 2010 12:19, James McKenzie wrote: > Juan Lang wrote: How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? > It is not.  Thus we should NOT include Java in the package.  We should > have a Wiki article just like these do on how to install and run. >> >> Frankly, applications that a

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread James McKenzie
Juan Lang wrote: >>> How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? >>> It is not. Thus we should NOT include Java in the package. We should have a Wiki article just like these do on how to install and run. > > Frankly, applications that assume Java is installed are just broken. > They

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Ben Klein
On 10 March 2010 10:01, Avery Pennarun wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Roderick Colenbrander >> wrote: >>> I might be able to measure it using my oscilloscope. Somehow I would >>> need to play lets say the left channel 'without' latenc

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Juan Lang
> Except that there is a utility called "docsdiag" for diagnosing DOCSIS > modems. It contains two startup batch scripts - one to launch it with the > Microsoft Java VM from the commandline, and another to use Sun Java. > Check http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/docsdiag/ and more > spec

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Roderick Colenbrander > wrote: >> I might be able to measure it using my oscilloscope. Somehow I would >> need to play lets say the left channel 'without' latency and the other >> channel with and compare the two s

Re: RFC: Detecting, enabling/disabling compositing and games

2010-03-09 Thread Henri Verbeet
You should probably have a look at bug 19376, but what it comes down to is that we need a standardized interface with the window managers first. I think that would be useful in general, not just for Wine.

RFC: Detecting, enabling/disabling compositing and games

2010-03-09 Thread Reece Dunn
Hi, Currently (for various reasons), compositing desktops (Compiz/Fusion, KWin4, possibly Mutter and others) cause display issues for fullscreen games/applications running under wine when compositing is enabled. On the Windows side, Vista provides the DwmIsCompositionEnabled and DwmEnableComposit

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Ben Klein
On 10 March 2010 06:50, Roderick Colenbrander wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Scott Ritchie wrote: >> I've run into a few applications that simply assume Java is installed. They >> die horribly with a "javaw" not found. >> >> My first inclination is to just pop up a message explaining wh

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Gert van den Berg
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 21:49, Austin English wrote: > How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? MS Java used to be bundled with (some versions of) Windows? (If an application was released requireing XP SP1 before the release of SP1a, its developer might have assumed that Windows will includ

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Juan Lang
>> How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? > > MS Java used to be bundled with (some versions of) Windows? (If an > application was released requireing XP SP1 before the release of SP1a, > its developer might have assumed that Windows will include the Java > VM) (With IE completely removabl

Fwd: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Gert van den Berg
Correct from address... -- Forwarded message -- From: Gert van den Berg Date: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 22:34 Subject: Re: Is there something we can do about Java? On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 21:49, Austin English wrote: > How is this different from dotnet20/mfc42/etc.? MS Java used to be b

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Scott Ritchie wrote: > I've run into a few applications that simply assume Java is installed. They > die horribly with a "javaw" not found. > > My first inclination is to just pop up a message explaining what went wrong > and how to fix it, with a clickable link to

Re: Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Austin English
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Scott Ritchie wrote: > I've run into a few applications that simply assume Java is installed. They > die horribly with a "javaw" not found. > > My first inclination is to just pop up a message explaining what went wrong > and how to fix it, with a clickable link to

Is there something we can do about Java?

2010-03-09 Thread Scott Ritchie
I've run into a few applications that simply assume Java is installed. They die horribly with a "javaw" not found. My first inclination is to just pop up a message explaining what went wrong and how to fix it, with a clickable link to go Sun's Java download page. This struck me as similar to

Re: Help Text for Inbuilt Commands in cmd

2010-03-09 Thread Arjun Comar
Sorry, busy weekend, wasn't able to respond. Some of the other help texts (like echo) appeared to be word for word, so I thought that was the desired format. I'll resubmit the whole thing fixed up. I'll probably leave off most of the options for each of the commands. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM

Re: GSoC WPKG and test.winehq.org

2010-03-09 Thread Arjun Comar
Yea, I noticed. That's why I was planning to include various build parameters based on time constraints. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Austin English wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Arjun Comar > wrote: > > Yea, I'm just about ready. I was going to wait until I had the initial > > bu

Re: GSoC WPKG and test.winehq.org

2010-03-09 Thread Austin English
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Arjun Comar wrote: > Yea, I'm just about ready. I was going to wait until I had the initial > buildbot system ready to go, but there's no reason I couldn't but my > proposal on wine-devel tonight. Quick summary of my proposal: > - Buildbot system to automate testing

Re: GSoC WPKG and test.winehq.org

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Shelnutt
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > > Converting the wpkg scripts to appinstall doesn't > > seem like that difficult of a task, mostly just time consuming. > > It's harder than it sounds to actually get > a few useful app tests written. Plus there'll > be some work writing up and

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Roderick Colenbrander wrote: > I might be able to measure it using my oscilloscope. Somehow I would > need to play lets say the left channel 'without' latency and the other > channel with and compare the two signals. Yes, absolutely, but it'd be good to make this m

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote: > I don't know about any automated way, but one could conceivably just > write a program that outputs a sound at a certain frequency and tries > to find that frequency back in the input. No need for a frequency - a single pulse would do it,

Re: GSoC WPKG and test.winehq.org

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Seth Shelnutt wrote: >> It's harder than it sounds to actually get >> a few useful app tests written.  Plus there'll >> be some work writing up and fixing the bugs >> it uncovers. > > So then do you think it's a worthy proposal to just work on wpkg scripts? I > have

Re: [PATCH] cmd: added some expansion tests.

2010-03-09 Thread Yann Droneaud
Le lundi 08 mars 2010 à 16:53 -0500, Yann Droneaud a écrit : > Test automatic variables like %CD% %ERRORLEVEL%. > Test expansion of an unknown variable. > +echo %UNKNOWN% > +Echo is OFF My test won't work on any other system : "echo is off" is localized, in French it is "Commande ECHO désactivée."

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2010-03-09 11:00 skrev Maarten Lankhorst: For example current dsound adds 105 ms or 110ms, depending on whether you use 44100 rate as primary, or 48000. OpenAL will probably use 4 buffers of 1024 samples, which would mean it adds 4096/44100 = 0.90s. I get 0.093s when I do the math... Cheer

Re: GSoC WPKG and test.winehq.org

2010-03-09 Thread Arjun Comar
Yea, I'm just about ready. I was going to wait until I had the initial buildbot system ready to go, but there's no reason I couldn't but my proposal on wine-devel tonight. Quick summary of my proposal: - Buildbot system to automate testing of compilation and application installation / execution (in

re: cmd: added some expansion tests.

2010-03-09 Thread Yann Droneaud
Le lundi 08 mars 2010 à 20:58 -0800, Dan Kegel a écrit : > > + at pwd@ > > Shouldn't that be "@pwd@" ? You're reading the mailing list archive, which clobber @ :) Regards -- Yann Droneaud

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote: > Hi Dan, > > 2010/3/9 Dan Kegel : >> Hey folks, >> before Maarten goes and implements wine audio >> on top of OpenAL, does anyone know of a nice >> automated tool for measuring audio latency >> that works on multiple APIs?  i.e. it'd be co

Re: measuring audio latency?

2010-03-09 Thread Maarten Lankhorst
Hi Dan, 2010/3/9 Dan Kegel : > Hey folks, > before Maarten goes and implements wine audio > on top of OpenAL, does anyone know of a nice > automated tool for measuring audio latency > that works on multiple APIs?  i.e. it'd be cool > if one could plug in a loopback cable, > run an app once, and ge

Re: [Try 2] WCMD_run_program overflow fix

2010-03-09 Thread Paul Vriens
On 03/09/2010 04:12 AM, Eric Ho wrote: Sorry Ive accidentally attached the patch for the expected test outputs in the first patch, please replace the previous 1/4 and 4/4 patch with these new ones, thanks -Eric Hi Eric, You now have one mail with 2 patches which will not be accepted. You can