First patch: Regedit Multi-String Value

2006-04-23 Thread Hedos
Hello folks! I'm new to Wine development, and I've just completed my first patch. I hope I could get some advices to make sure I'm heading in the right direction. Just a bit myself now to clear up a few things: I'm a first year college student who realized this week-end the Google Summer

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread n0dalus
On 4/24/06, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine whatever.. Personally I dont like having to keep an irc client > open, but i would be more inclined to do so if we had our own server... > Then we could do java irc from one of the website's servers, making > anot

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Kai Blin wrote: * "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [23/04/06, 13:00:51]: See directly below.. People see all of these choices on where to go to get help, but dont like any of them (dont want to be flooded with emails, dont want to search the archives, or it isn

Re: Stub Implementation of FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME and FSCTL_UNLOCK_VOLUME in NtFsControlFile() in ntdll

2006-04-23 Thread Dimi Paun
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 10:48 +0200, Bernd Buschinski wrote: > +case FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME: > +case FSCTL_UNLOCK_VOLUME: > +io->u.Status = STATUS_SUCCESS; > +break; > + > default: > FIXME("Unsupported fsctl %lx (device=%lx access=%lx func=%lx > method=%lx)\n", >

Re: Web forums - simple suggestion

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Jeremy White wrote: > http://www.winehq.org/site/forums > > There is way too much information; the useful bits > (the Gmane and Google links) are buried way to deep imho. Just took a look at it. I definitely agree! > For a while, the two were connected, until the old gateway > we were using bro

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread n0dalus
On 4/24/06, deedee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forums can tend towards cliques. So-called "popular" forums, > especially, can have this quality -- because popularity > frequently equates to regulars who always show up and post. In a way this holds for mailing lists as well, but I think the diff

Web forums - simple suggestion

2006-04-23 Thread Jeremy White
Okay, so I've followed this thread, and I have a range of thoughts and what I think is a simple solution. First of all, if disk space is an issue, it's easily corrected with a $100 IDE drive. I think the real issue is that Jer doesn't like to work on half baked ideas unless they're more fully bak

Re: [Wine] Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread David Shaw
Jeff Vian wrote: How about the ability to post/read/respond to messages even when you're not at your own computer? Many people on Yahoo Groups, for instance, don't even have a computer at home and access their groups from works or library computers. To my mind, this is probably the most import

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
>Newsgroups might be too technical to engage in for newcomers, >especially if they're already *very* busy trying to make this new >software they've downloaded (Wine) work and everything's failing right >and left around their ears with odd 'FontForge' messages, >seh_exception overflows and what not

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread deedee
Hi all, Having been on a lot of forums and mailing lists, I definitely prefer mailing lists. I've read the various pros and cons of both with interest here. Frankly, I've never found it a problem to do everything people say is great with forums with mailing lists -- and I do a lot of traveling

Re: Fixing cross-compilation 1/2

2006-04-23 Thread Paul Millar
Hi Detlef, On Sunday 23 April 2006 22:19, Detlef Riekenberg wrote: > Great to see, that WRT-Native is on the way to run again. Yes, hopefully back up and running soon. > This Patch is unusable because of the line-wrap. > You can attach the diff as File to avoid this. Yes, kmail got the better

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
> The 'category' thing sounds tricky to implement on top of a mailing> list (as I would like it)... Yes, categories are nice.Sorry for sneaking into the conversation again. When I saw the Wine Wiki, I was disappointed that the app db wasn't integrated into it. It seemed like the thing to do, from a

Re: wine through e-mail/forum/faq

2006-04-23 Thread Francesco Pietra
Thanks for answering. I also lack any personal chemdraw, the installation is in the institution. therefore i never tried with wine because there is no linux there. i have already got something non-linux running on debian at home. another opportunity has emerged: a free chemical drawing program

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Philippe A. wrote: > When I saw the Wine Wiki, I was disappointed that the app db wasn't > integrated into it. There does seem to be a lot of stale information in there. Maybe a Wiki would be better suited for the AppDB than the current forum. A forum there is fine too, but exposing it like it is

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: > > If solution 3 ever takes off, I will gladly contribute with coding. > > Realistically, though, i cannot implement something like this all by > > myself, especially not in any kind of a timely fashion. > > I can contrib some code (need to start lear

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Philippe A. wrote: > I stayed away from them for a very long time, until I came across Google > Groups. Google taps so well into newsgroups that now I think all mailing > lists of the world should be turned into a newsgroup :-) > > (Note I keep advocating this suggestion because I'm quite convinced

Re: Use of ARB_fragment_program_100

2006-04-23 Thread Phil Costin
James Trotter wrote: > On 4/23/06, Phil Costin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> This is marked as a TODO at line 1698 of dlls/wined3d/directx.c: >> >> 1691 if ((wined3d_settings.ps_mode == PS_HW) && >> GL_SUPPORT(ARB_FRAGMENT_PROGRAM) && (DeviceType != WINED3DDEVTYPE_REF)) { >> 1692

Last call for SoC mentors?

2006-04-23 Thread Dan Kegel
If you're interested in being an SoC mentor, and you haven't emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] yet, please do so now ( and cc me ). Help guide the next generation of open source developers! Thanks! -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Jeremy Newman
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 11:40 -0500, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: > It doesn't make sense to not have a universal login for the entire site, > and even you complain about it.. Just curious, but why are we not able > to fix that? Nobody has taken up the task of trying to figure

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Jesse Allen
On 4/23/06, Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My *guess* is that Windows x64 Edition will enforce DEP/NX for 64bit > applications, but will do the same as XP SP2 for 32bit applications. That is, > for 32bit applications, you can choose to enforce DEP/NX, and "whitelist" > applic

Re: Requested change in bugzilla

2006-04-23 Thread Jeremy Newman
We will be upgrading to the latest bugzilla down the road. I don't have an ETA of when it will happen, but rest assured it is in the works. Otherwise if you want things changed in bugzilla, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not touch bugzilla myself anymore. I leave that to the volunteers at bugs-admin

Re: NetUserGetInfo and unsupported levels

2006-04-23 Thread James Hawkins
On 4/23/06, Aidan Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any particular reason why NetUserGetInfo returns success if > it's called with a valid but unsupported value for level? This seems to > cause problems for at least MSYS (part of MinGW), as it assumes this > means that *bufptr

Re: KERNEL: [2/2] changed test for FindFirstFileEx

2006-04-23 Thread Detlef Riekenberg
Am Samstag, den 22.04.2006, 18:05 +0400 schrieb Konstantin Petrov: > patch for test No Patch attached. btw, the indention looks strange in your other Patch. -- By By ... ... Detlef

Re: Fixing cross-compilation 1/2

2006-04-23 Thread Detlef Riekenberg
Am Sonntag, den 23.04.2006, 17:23 +0100 schrieb Paul Millar: > The patch fixes an existing test within the autoconf configure.ac. Great to see, that WRT-Native is on the way to run again. > This is a resubmission (no comment from previous submission) so please comment > if its wrong! This Pat

NetUserGetInfo and unsupported levels

2006-04-23 Thread Aidan Thornton
Hi, Is there any particular reason why NetUserGetInfo returns success if it's called with a valid but unsupported value for level? This seems to cause problems for at least MSYS (part of MinGW), as it assumes this means that *bufptr has been set to something valid, when in fact the function c

Re: Use of ARB_fragment_program_100

2006-04-23 Thread James Trotter
On 4/23/06, Phil Costin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,This is marked as a TODO at line 1698 of dlls/wined3d/directx.c:1691 if ((wined3d_settings.ps_mode == PS_HW) &&GL_SUPPORT(ARB_FRAGMENT_PROGRAM) && (DeviceType != WINED3DDEVTYPE_REF)) { 1692 *pCaps->PixelShaderVersion= D3DPS_VERSI

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Kai Blin
* "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [23/04/06, 13:00:51]: > See directly below.. People see all of these choices on where to go to > get help, but dont like any of them (dont want to be flooded with > emails, dont want to search the archives, or it isnt in the archiv

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Kai Blin wrote: * "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [23/04/06, 11:40:39]: Yes you do, but personally I hate the appdb, and im rarely ever going to pull up irc even though it is installed, because i dont like having to switch networks back and forth. [...]

Re: [Wine] Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Peter Åstrand wrote: On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: You can't reply to the archives.. you still have to sign up for the mailing list. I don't like having my inbox flooded with emails from the devel and bugs lists. If I go to a forum, I see a topic once an

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Dimi Paun wrote: On Sat, April 22, 2006 9:45 pm, Molle Bestefich said: Can you explain what's so different between Google and a forum search? That's pretty obvious: the Google search is just a lot better. Remember when we used to offer our own search on WineHQ? It sucked so badly it wa

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Molle Bestefich wrote: Scott Ritchie wrote: This makes perfect sense to me: I _hate_ mailing lists, especially the kind that I have to subscribe to in order to post - it's far easier to run a search on a web forum (rather than googling the list archives), Can you explain what's so diff

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Kai Blin
* "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [23/04/06, 11:40:39]: > Yes you do, but personally I hate the appdb, and im rarely ever going to > pull up irc even though it is installed, because i dont like having to > switch networks back and forth. [...] > I'm sure that the

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Segin wrote: Why aren't I offering suggestions? I did offer one. The rest are beyond our control. To attempt to fix those would be as intelligent as sticking your hand into a boiling pot of water. Let's look at that last one, the sticky thing. This usually means to have a email highlighted in

Re: SOC: D3D Test Suite

2006-04-23 Thread Evil Jay
Joseph Garvin wrote: > ...Assuming you're > testing on cards with the same capabilities (you would have to record > what extensions should correspond to what results) I don't see why the > output shouldn't be the same. I would expect alias/filtering to be driver-level dependent, with individual pi

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:25:09AM -0500, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: ... > >Jesse > Only if you are talking about hardware based NX, but that is different > from what is going on here. The kernel has software-based NX enabled by > default now and that is what is affecting th

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Alistair John Strachan
On Sunday 23 April 2006 16:35, Jesse Allen wrote: > On 4/22/06, Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 22 April 2006 18:38, Jesse Allen wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > It has MEM_EXECUTE correctly set. I think that loader should be > > > considered buggy. > > > > This executa

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Molle Bestefich wrote: Hi I've tried to sum up the problems with the wine-users mailing list that are urging many people to call for a forum.winehq.org. I hope it's useful. Problems 1) Cannot post without configured mail client 2) Browsing old topics and replying/posting new ones

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Jeremy Newman wrote: Currently the WineHQ server really does not have much space left over. Alexandre and I have had a few issues with the box running out of hard drive space. I offered space on my box, so space shouldn't be an issue. We need to know if this is really needed. Is providing a

Re: Bug 5112 - Explorer (wine builtin) fails when run with no command line args

2006-04-23 Thread Phil Costin
Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: > Hi everyone, just a simple question. According to this bug, winefile > and explorer are bit-by-bit identical, but yet 1 crashes when run with > no command line, while the other does not. As the subject of this email > says, explorer crashes but win

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Jesse Allen wrote: On 4/22/06, Mike Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:12:06 +0100, Alistair John Strachan wrote: Well, I'm using a "modified" game executable which does not check for the presence of a CD. However, it hooks into the original game executable so that

Requested change in bugzilla

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Hi all, just posting this publicly for anyone that wants to either second this idea or shoot it down :-). Jeremy, one of my biggest (minor) nits about using Bugzilla is the component box. It isn't very user friendly.. What I mean is that a lot of the components are rarely (never?) used whil

Bug 5112 - Explorer (wine builtin) fails when run with no command line args

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Hi everyone, just a simple question. According to this bug, winefile and explorer are bit-by-bit identical, but yet 1 crashes when run with no command line, while the other does not. As the subject of this email says, explorer crashes but winefile doesn't. This particular has no problem with

Use of ARB_fragment_program_100

2006-04-23 Thread Phil Costin
Hi, This is marked as a TODO at line 1698 of dlls/wined3d/directx.c: 1691 if ((wined3d_settings.ps_mode == PS_HW) && GL_SUPPORT(ARB_FRAGMENT_PROGRAM) && (DeviceType != WINED3DDEVTYPE_REF)) { 1692 *pCaps->PixelShaderVersion= D3DPS_VERSION(1,4); 1693 *pCaps->PixelShader1xMax

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Jesse Allen
On 4/23/06, Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought I set it to plaintext for Wine-devel... maybe it's doing both > plain and HTML At any rate, I never used "stupid" HTML (god awful > colors/fonts/font sizes) > Gmail now seems to be activating html automatically in reply of someone sendin

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Jesse Allen
On 4/22/06, Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 22 April 2006 18:38, Jesse Allen wrote: > [snip] > > It has MEM_EXECUTE correctly set. I think that loader should be > > considered buggy. > > This executable works on Windows, therefore it should work in Wine. It's > reall

Re: CVS build problems

2006-04-23 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 08:47:57AM -0400, Segin wrote: > I just refreshed my CVS source tree, and on configure, it failed while > writing the final makefiles with tihs error: > > config.status: error: cannot find input file: dlls/comdlg32/Makefile.in > > The folder dlls/comdlg32/ is empty -- is

Re: possible bug in wine, programs/winecfg/appdefaults.c

2006-04-23 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Please no HTMLs in patches. Especially quoting previous patch. 'cat mabox | patch -px' should work or the patch invalid. Attachments are ok. Vitaliy Margolen Sunday, April 23, 2006, 5:24:26 AM, Segin wrote: > Please /dev/null that patch, I made a mistake in creating it. Attachedis a > corrected

SOC Proposal - SafeDisc Support

2006-04-23 Thread Vijay Kiran Kamuju
Hi,I would like to propose the SafeDisc Project for wine.Main Objective:  Support for SafeDisc (basically ver 1 Support) Part 1 (Getting the basic IRP support)Secondary Objective: Have wine specific ntoskrnl.exe that handles thisRequirements: Needs to have in depth knowledge of Win32 Internals as

CVS build problems

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
I just refreshed my CVS source tree, and on configure, it failed while writing the final makefiles with tihs error: config.status: error: cannot find input file: dlls/comdlg32/Makefile.in The folder dlls/comdlg32/ is empty -- is this a CVS glitch?

Re: wine through e-mail/forum/faq

2006-04-23 Thread KGJ
Hi, Francesco Pietra wrote: > I do believe that the choice among e-mail/forum/faq for wine depends on the > individual approach to wine. > > For people, like me, who approach wine to solve their specific problems, and > when solved they forget about wine until a new need arises, if ever (but i a

Re: GLSL - Compile time check for OpenGL 2.0?

2006-04-23 Thread Phil Costin
H. Verbeet wrote: > > On 23/04/06, Phil Costin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems we still need a HLSL to GLSL translator for SM 3.0 but > > that is for future discussion :) > > Well, no, not directly. In Direct3D9 HLSL is compiled to the same kind > of code as assembly shaders by the d3d9x li

Re: GLSL - Compile time check for OpenGL 2.0?

2006-04-23 Thread H. Verbeet
On 23/04/06, Phil Costin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems we still need a HLSL to GLSL translator for SM 3.0 but > that is for future discussion :) Well, no, not directly. In Direct3D9 HLSL is compiled to the same kind of code as assembly shaders by the d3d9x library. The d3d9 dll never sees H

Re: possible bug in wine, programs/winecfg/appdefaults.c

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
Please /dev/null that patch, I made a mistake in creating it. Attached is a corrected version. Segin wrote: While looking over this file, I came across something that just doesn't look right: { "win31",   "Windows 3.1",    2, 10, 0, VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s, "Win32s 1.3", 0, 0, ""},

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
>Hi Philippe, > >Interesting post :-). >I don't have time right now to answer all the pros you mention for >newsgroups, so I'll just throw in a couple of things that I think is >flawed in your suggestion (rude, perhaps! sorry!). > >Philippe A. wrote: I guess you know what newsgroups are, and tha

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
Vitaliy Margolen wrote: Saturday, April 22, 2006, 4:14:28 PM, Segin wrote: Actually, it seems most users like to send messages via their emailclient, but like in another email i sent, they also resent their emailclients for lack of pretty graphics, colors, and the mailing listrestr

Re: PROT_EXEC mmap/mprotect, i386 PAE + NX broken, x86-64 2.6.17-rc2

2006-04-23 Thread Alistair John Strachan
On Saturday 22 April 2006 18:38, Jesse Allen wrote: [snip] > It has MEM_EXECUTE correctly set. I think that loader should be > considered buggy. This executable works on Windows, therefore it should work in Wine. It's really that simple. If Windows doesn't enforce DEP/NX, neither should Wine. Or

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread n0dalus
On 4/23/06, Molle Bestefich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Solution 3: WebForum-on-top-of-List > > > Pros: >) We concentrate people, allowing web and email users to communicate. >) We concentrate (archived) knowledge in one place. > > Cons: >) The

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Sterling Christensen
> > Mailing lists are searchable, but harder than a forum to search. > > Forums let you search by any of text, title, author, date, category, > > Ok, that sounds nice. > > The 'category' thing sounds tricky to implement on top of a mailing > list (as I would like it)... Yes, categories are nice. >

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
You see Google Groups as something very Google-specific and you don't like it. This is maybe because you don't know what Google Groups is? I will try demystifying Google Groups a bit for our readers. I guess you know what newsgroups are, and that they existed before Google. What Google did is to in

wine through e-mail/forum/faq

2006-04-23 Thread Francesco Pietra
I do believe that the choice among e-mail/forum/faq for wine depends on the individual approach to wine. For people, like me, who approach wine to solve their specific problems, and when solved they forget about wine until a new need arises, if ever (but i am aware my own are general problems i

GLSL - Compile time check for OpenGL 2.0?

2006-04-23 Thread Phil Costin
Hi, Let me introduce myself, I'm a final year student of Software Engineering from the UK and I'm beginning to take more of an active interest in Wine. I believe that one of the main reasons people stick with Windows over Linux or BSD is because they miss their games. I have an interest in OpenGL

Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Michael Stefaniuc
Jeremy Newman wrote: Currently the WineHQ server really does not have much space left over. Alexandre and I have had a few issues with the box running out of hard drive space. To be honest if i would be you i wouldn't want to have the forum on the WineHQ server. The forum softwares are know for

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Hi Philippe, Interesting post :-). I don't have time right now to answer all the pros you mention for newsgroups, so I'll just throw in a couple of things that I think is flawed in your suggestion (rude, perhaps! sorry!). Philippe A. wrote: > I guess you know what newsgroups are, and that they e

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Marcus Meissner
Btw, comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine still exists and is used as a forum just fine. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine Instant Web Forum, just add water. ciao, Marcus

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Kai Blin
* Sterling Christensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [22/04/06, 16:10:06]: > Lots of forums support RSS, and you can "subscribe" to a topic - two > ways for forum posts to come to you. Which will fill my mailbox just like a mailing list does, just that it only says "Someone replied to your forum post. Go t

Re: [Wine] Re: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Peter Åstrand
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: You can't reply to the archives.. you still have to sign up for the mailing list. I don't like having my inbox flooded with emails from the devel and bugs lists. If I go to a forum, I see a topic once and read all of the post