Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-20 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:20:04 -0800 Nick Kisialiou wrote: > Hi Pekka, > > It may indeed be a cleaner solution to have 2 compositors, a phone > compositor working as a client of the desktop/laptop compositor. In fact, > with proper nesting of multiple compositors you may effectively offer > multip

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-20 Thread Nick Kisialiou
Hi Pekka, It may indeed be a cleaner solution to have 2 compositors, a phone compositor working as a client of the desktop/laptop compositor. In fact, with proper nesting of multiple compositors you may effectively offer multiple shells. It is definitely a good solution for an SDK. That said, I a

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-13 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:45:12 -0800 Nick Kisialiou wrote: > Actually, there is a value in clients that need 2 shells at the same time. > Think about an SDK or a development environment for a phone OS. The > development environment would work in a desktop shell because it is more > convenient for d

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-12 Thread Nick Kisialiou
Actually, there is a value in clients that need 2 shells at the same time. Think about an SDK or a development environment for a phone OS. The development environment would work in a desktop shell because it is more convenient for developers to write code in an IDE on a desktop/laptop. At the same

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-12 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:13:16 -0600 Jason Ekstrand wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:51:26 +0100 > > Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > > > >> On 11.02.2013 11:06, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > >> > I want to make sure again, that when we talk about shel

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-12 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:51:26 +0100 > Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > >> On 11.02.2013 11:06, Pekka Paalanen wrote: >> > I want to make sure again, that when we talk about shells in Wayland, >> > we usually talk about public shell interfaces in th

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-12 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:51:26 +0100 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > On 11.02.2013 11:06, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > > I want to make sure again, that when we talk about shells in Wayland, > > we usually talk about public shell interfaces in the protocol. Therefore > > all of Linux desktop, regardless of DE

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Kai-Uwe Behrmann
On 11.02.2013 11:06, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > I want to make sure again, that when we talk about shells in Wayland, > we usually talk about public shell interfaces in the protocol. Therefore > all of Linux desktop, regardless of DE or its components (KDE, Gnome, > gnome-shell, kwin, ...) are under t

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Bill Spitzak
Kristian Høgsberg wrote: As I mentioned briefly in IRC, I don't think there really is a core subset. Almost everything in wl_shell is desktop specific. I really feel clients should be able to call any of the shell api, but be prepared for only a minimal amount of results to happen. If a shel

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:52:00AM -0600, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:20:57 -0600 > > Jason Ekstrand wrote: > > > >> Wayland Devs, > >> This is a brainstorming e-mail concerning trying to develop some sort > >> of core s

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 12:20:57PM -0600, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > Wayland Devs, > This is a brainstorming e-mail concerning trying to develop some sort > of core shell protocol. I will shortly begin work on developing a > touch-based compositor for phones and tablets and there have been > multiple

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread David Herrmann
Hi Jason On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > Perhaps I should be asking a better question. That question would be, > How should alternate compositors be handled? Perhaps the best answer > isn't to change wl_shell, but to simply break it in a reasonable way > such as ignorin

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Nick Kisialiou
Are you thinking of developing a new phone OS on Wayland/Weston? I seem to remember Tizen folks wanted to do something similar. Not sure if it's still in the works. Nick On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Pekka Paalanen > wrote: > > On Sat

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:20:57 -0600 > Jason Ekstrand wrote: > >> Wayland Devs, >> This is a brainstorming e-mail concerning trying to develop some sort >> of core shell protocol. I will shortly begin work on developing a >> touch-based compo

Re: Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-11 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:20:57 -0600 Jason Ekstrand wrote: > Wayland Devs, > This is a brainstorming e-mail concerning trying to develop some sort > of core shell protocol. I will shortly begin work on developing a > touch-based compositor for phones and tablets and there have been > multiple discu

Developing a core shell protocol

2013-02-09 Thread Jason Ekstrand
Wayland Devs, This is a brainstorming e-mail concerning trying to develop some sort of core shell protocol. I will shortly begin work on developing a touch-based compositor for phones and tablets and there have been multiple discussions on IRC concerning trying to implement tiling WM's. There are