Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Drew DeVault
On 2019-02-21 4:00 PM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > Let's forget about the prefixes or namespaces indicating anything about > endorsement or acceptance. I don't think using prefixes/namespaces for acceptance/blessedness is going to be a good idea, but I do think defining some namespaces and a scope fo

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Drew DeVault
On 2019-02-21 6:11 PM, Jonas Ådahl wrote: > IMHO we should choose one or the other, not some combination where > Gitlab sends E-mails to the mailing list for merge requests, as this > would mean we'd end up with multiple diverging versions of the same > discussion thread. fwiw I think a mailing l

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Simon Ser
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 7:36 PM, James Feeney wrote: > As an outside observer, and still cheering for Wayland, I've often > felt inclined to rant about the focus and management of the "Wayland > Project", or perhaps, its lack thereof. […] Sorry, these comments feel a bit off-topic here. I'

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread James Feeney
On 2/21/19 8:47 AM, Daniel Stone wrote: > But why should Weston cripple itself in order to create this negative > space for wlroots or Mutter or Smithay or whatever? I'm happy to clean > up the README to reflect reality. One of the side effects of creating > this protocol documentation site really

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Drew DeVault
On 2019-02-21 3:47 PM, Daniel Stone wrote: > Glibly, I'd probably just categorise the sway* clients in under the > Sway/wlroots project, unless they had separate governance, opinions, > roadmaps, etc? Similarly, I'm not sure there's much reason for us to > separate the toytoolkit and simple-* clie

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Jonas Ådahl
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:47:13AM -0500, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:47 AM Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > > One of Weston's goals is to be a reference compositor. As an active > > implementation, it serves as a useful neutral ground for the rest of > > the ecos

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Jonas Ådahl
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 04:50:27PM +, Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to open up a discussion on enlarging wayland-protocols to a > wider audience, with a better definition of what it contains. > > Currently, wayland-protocols is a relatively small set of protocols > which were either

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
Hello, On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:47 AM Daniel Stone wrote: > > One of Weston's goals is to be a reference compositor. As an active > implementation, it serves as a useful neutral ground for the rest of > the ecosystem: we try to be exhaustively correct in what we do > implement, and gets used a

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi, On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 18:36, Drew DeVault wrote: > On 2019-02-19 4:50 PM, Daniel Stone wrote: > > - other clients: Chromium (client), Firefox, Mesa (EGL/Vulkan) > > This might start getting out of hand, I think. Here's an incomplete list > of clients which use wlr protocols: > > - [...] >

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 09:05:26 -0500 Drew DeVault wrote: > On 2019-02-21 2:53 PM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > > the list seems purely informative. Is it actually bad if it ends up > > containing hundreds of entries? If someone actually wants their > > individual apps listed, why not? > > You're rig

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Drew DeVault
On 2019-02-21 2:53 PM, Pekka Paalanen wrote: > the list seems purely informative. Is it actually bad if it ends up > containing hundreds of entries? If someone actually wants their > individual apps listed, why not? You're right, I retract my concerns about the list being unwieldy. I was thinking

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 16:50:27 + Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to open up a discussion on enlarging wayland-protocols to a > wider audience, with a better definition of what it contains. > > Currently, wayland-protocols is a relatively small set of protocols > which were either gran

Re: wayland-protocols scope and governance

2019-02-21 Thread Pekka Paalanen
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:36:51 -0500 Drew DeVault wrote: > This is a great plan, Daniel, thank you for taking the time to write it > up and help push this problem towards a solution. > > On 2019-02-19 4:50 PM, Daniel Stone wrote: > > My first, hopefully uncontroversial, suggestion: introduce a li