Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread maltee
sorry for forgetting the subject, I had one first but then kmail2 beta failed to send the mail and I forgot about the subject when using webmail On Thu, 5 May 2011 05:18:23 PM Bill Spitzak wrote: > The claim that users are confused by mismatched window borders is not > backed by evidence either. I

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread microcai
于 2011年05月07日 06:01, cat Wrote > -- Forwarded message -- > From: cat > Date: 2011/5/6 > Subject: Re: client side decorations > To: Kristian Høgsberg > > > > > 2011/5/6 Kristian Høgsberg > >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, cat wrote: "Window management policy" should a

client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread cat
-- Forwarded message -- From: cat Date: 2011/5/6 Subject: Re: client side decorations To: Kristian Høgsberg 2011/5/6 Kristian Høgsberg > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, cat wrote: > >> "Window management policy" should also be client-side. I may not have > been > >> clear a

Re: [PATCH] Add configure option to disable scanner compilation which is helpful for cross-compilation

2011-05-06 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:13 AM, wrote: > When cross-compiling Wayland, wayland-scanner should be picked up from the > host system instead of compiling and trying to run e.g. ARM wayland-scanner > on X86. > > This patch adds --disable-scanner option for disabling the scanner from the > build an

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, cat wrote: >> "Window management policy" should also be client-side. I may not have been >> clear about that. The wayland compositer almost NEVER moves or raises or >> resizes a window. Clients do this in response to clicks or whatever. This >> would have made it TR

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Peng Huang wrote: > I still remember some old windows systems which use client side decoration. > When applications have some problems, you can not use close button to close > them. Any the whole decoration will not be repainted anymore, just leave > users the backg

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread cat
> > "Window management policy" should also be client-side. I may not have been > clear about that. The wayland compositer almost NEVER moves or raises or > resizes a window. Clients do this in response to clicks or whatever. This > would have made it TRIVIAL to implement Gimp the way they intended,

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Peng Huang
I still remember some old windows systems which use client side decoration. When applications have some problems, you can not use close button to close them. Any the whole decoration will not be repainted anymore, just leave users the background color. That is a really bad UX. I think server side

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Bill Spitzak
Sam Spilsbury wrote: Actually, I'm pretty sure in 99% of the cases out there the amount of code required for individual applications to have a window border using decorations done on the window manager side is going to be pretty much nil. Size? Resize rules? Name? Icon name? Icon? Layer? Windo

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread microcai
于 2011年05月06日 16:57, Niklas Höglund 写道: > On 6 May 2011 09:42, Sam Spilsbury wrote: >> You cannot assume that there will be a universally adopted method to >> styling because we see on every single platform that there will *not* >> be one. The best way to enforce styling is to enforce it at the wi

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread microcai
于 2011年05月06日 12:50, Mike Paquette 写道: > > On May 5, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Kristian Høgsberg wrote: > >> Also, the concern about not being able to close and moving hung apps >> just seems blown out of proportion. Yes, it's a neat feature that X >> WMs can deal with this, but it's just about the only

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Niklas Höglund
On 6 May 2011 09:42, Sam Spilsbury wrote: > You cannot assume that there will be a universally adopted method to > styling because we see on every single platform that there will *not* > be one. The best way to enforce styling is to enforce it at the window > manager level, so that the application

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Sam Spilsbury
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Bill Spitzak wrote: > I believe client-side decorations are an absolute must. > > The amount of code necessary for an application to use an async protocol to > describe how the window border should appear is greatly larger than that > needed to just draw and handle

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Russell Shaw
On 06/05/11 10:18, Bill Spitzak wrote: I believe client-side decorations are an absolute must. The amount of code necessary for an application to use an async protocol to describe how the window border should appear is greatly larger than that needed to just draw and handle events in the window

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Russell Shaw
On 06/05/11 10:18, Bill Spitzak wrote: I believe client-side decorations are an absolute must. The amount of code necessary for an application to use an async protocol to describe how the window border should appear is greatly larger than that needed to just draw and handle events in the window

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Niklas Höglund
On 6 May 2011 08:25, "Niklas Höglund" wrote: > so maybe just have some special hotels or similar for this. Annoying text prediction. Hotkeys, not hotels. ___ wayland-devel mailing list wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mai

Re: client side decorations

2011-05-06 Thread Niklas Höglund
On 6 May 2011 02:10, "Kristian Høgsberg" wrote: > I can't remember > when I last had to deal with an unresponsive application I had this happen to me in Windows XP yesterday. To be fair, I was pushing the machine by running two VMs, one of which was running Windows update. Chrome may have been pa