RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread Peter Crowther
> From: EDMOND KEMOKAI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! That's rather like saying "Windows developers aren't supposed to be supporting Vista *and* XP!!" or "Linux developers aren't supposed to be supporting different distros!!" Your code runs

RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread Robert Harper
Robert S. Harper Information Access Technology, Inc. -Original Message- From: EDMOND KEMOKAI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:51 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign "Web developers aren't suppose to be supportin

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 1/8/07, EDMOND KEMOKAI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! Go tell this my boss! :-) Leon On 1/8/07, Nelson, Tracy M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18

RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread Nelson, Tracy M.
| From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Sunday, 07 January, 2007 09:56 | | At any rate, you should try to avoid anything that's not a W3C standard. Yeah, so stay away from Mozilla's little "shortcuts" like using document.getElementsByTagName('tag')['name'] (gEBTN() is define

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread EDMOND KEMOKAI
Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! On 1/8/07, Nelson, Tracy M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18 | | Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In | developpement,

RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-08 Thread Nelson, Tracy M.
| From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18 | | Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In | developpement, I'm using Firefox & Konqueror, but in production they will | be | using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problem

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-07 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Christopher Schultz wrote: No question. All my apps from the last few years use reasonably recent standards such as CSS and XHTML. Most old browsers render XHTML just fine, and sadly CSS isn't perfect across "compliant" browsers even today. But if you're using NN 4, it's just time to upgrade, dud

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-07 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: > Christopher Schultz wrote: >> If you stay away from the "innerHTML" attribute (which only works in >> MSIE, so you're probably not using it) and instead use the methods >> Document.createElement and node.add and node.

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-07 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Christopher Schultz wrote: If you stay away from the "innerHTML" attribute (which only works in MSIE, so you're probably not using it) and instead use the methods Document.createElement and node.add and node.insert, then you'll be fine. This is false. innerHTML is supported by most current bro

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-07 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pierre, Pierre Goupil wrote: > Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance? It looks like everyone on the list got into a "who 'creates' HTML argument"... I'm assuming that you were talking about using javascript to generate c

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread Pierre Goupil
Yes, of course : Tomcat just processes the Java code, not the HTML. Little but important shade of meaning... Thank you ! Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Pierre, jsp is compiled by tomcat into servlets. Tomcat then calls the servlet to service an incoming requests. The html

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread ben short
Pierre, jsp is compiled by tomcat into servlets. Tomcat then calls the servlet to service an incoming requests. The html that's embedded into the jsp pages is sent to the client as its is shown, along with any you are generating. Usually when people ask 'will it work in this browser' they are r

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread Len Popp
The HTML is in the JSP file, it's not created by Tomcat. It's up to the JSP programmer to ensure that the HTML and logic in the JSP file are correct. Taglibs such as JSTL can generate HTML, but that's not part of Tomcat itself. -- Len On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Errr...

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Nope:-) The jsp-processing is just another form of templating. You can produce html, xml, csv, foo, bar, xyz or even exe with jsp. It just what you make it to be! regards Leon On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ?

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread David Kerber
No, it's converted to Java code by Tomcat, along with whatever literal HTML you have in the .jsp. The HTML that is sent to the client is whatever you have your code generating. Dave Pierre Goupil wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread Pierre Goupil
Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any prob

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread ben short
Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, folks

Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-06 Thread Pierre Goupil
Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox & Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring & JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/

Standards Complaint Browser Campaign

2007-01-05 Thread EDMOND KEMOKAI
Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below