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From: Andre Prasetya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 8:45 PM
To: Tomcat Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
Is SJAS 9 really using tomcat inside ? its already 2.5 and the behaviour is
slightly
On 12/7/06, Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'd too like to know which communities are "out-innovating" java?
My first like-for-like example would be .Net - and for those who don't
think this is a community compared to Java, note that
> From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'd too like to know which communities are "out-innovating" java?
My first like-for-like example would be .Net - and for those who don't
think this is a community compared to Java, note that both have large
companies supporting them. To anticipa
y, 7 December 2006 3:07 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
Totally agree. PHP is no doubt an excellent tool, but primarily for
hobbyists or standalone type of deployment. On the other hand, Java is
widely used on enterprise application. If you open
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Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
Totally agree. PHP is no doubt an excellent tool, but primarily for
hobbyists or standalone type of deployment. On the other hand, Java is
widely used on enterprise application. If you open up the hood and look, all
the expensive applic
.
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From: "Leon Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tomcat Users List"
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
> On 12/6/06, Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
Yes, of course. But if you've got a trailer, why not use it with your car
?!?!
Pierre, "I hope we're not too much O/T"
--
"L'une des raisons pour lesquelles la vie est complexe
C'est qu'elle a une partie réelle et une partie imaginaire."
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 4:27 pm, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> I'd too like to know which communities are "out-innovating" java?
> To stay in you example, comparing php (or ruby for this matter) to
> java is like comparing bicycles with cars.
> Sure its fun to make a ride on sunday. Sure it's ok to
> From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
>
> But trying to deliver a fridge to the customer with a bike is
> rather stupid.
I remember a story a couple of years ago about somebody hitchhiking in
Ireland with a frid
On 12/6/06, Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As Tomcat is OpenSource (and not proprietary) and can be
> installed on any OS (vs just 1) I dont undertand
> What is causing the number of Tomcat users to attenuate over time?
Ancient history
CPU throttling and thread termination are essential for shared
hosting. The only way to terminate bad application is kill VM.
.NET has Application Domains. You are able to unload it without
restart of hole VM.
I think it is alreadfy possible to make CPU throttling in Java and
even in Tomcat.
You
- Original Message
>>From: Peter Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Tomcat and JSP is a perfectly good model for web applications. However,
>>if the Java community and the Tomcat developers don't innovate and other
>>communities do (for example the PHP community and Microsoft), people
>>deplo
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As Tomcat is OpenSource (and not proprietary) and can be
> installed on any OS (vs just 1) I dont undertand
> What is causing the number of Tomcat users to attenuate over time?
Ancient history, I know, but I'll respond anyway.
A Model T Ford is
.
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From: Pierre Goupil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tomcat Users List
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2006 5:04:09 PM
Subject: Re: Quick webapp reloading [was : Is jsp designed for use by
large websites]
Hi !
Yes, it does work !! This plus my discovery of yesterday (Ec
at.
>
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> From: Timothy Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2006 4:09:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Quick webapp reloading [was : Is jsp designed for use by
> large websites]
>
>
> The simplest
y, December 2, 2006 4:09:48 PM
Subject: Re: Quick webapp reloading [was : Is jsp designed for use by
large websites]
The simplest thing to do, if all you're after is to be able to see
changes to JSPs quickly, without any compiling, redeploying, etc, is
just to put the JSP files directly in a folde
files are outside Tomcat.
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From: Timothy Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tomcat Users List
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2006 4:09:48 PM
Subject: Re: Quick webapp reloading [was : Is jsp designed for use by large
websites]
The simplest thing to do, if all you&#
The simplest thing to do, if all you're after is to be able to see
changes to JSPs quickly, without any compiling, redeploying, etc, is
just to put the JSP files directly in a folder in $TOMCAT_HOME/
webapps, and edit them there.
Timothy Collett
--
No man is justified in doing evil on the
: Saturday, December 2, 2006 1:17:41 PM
Subject: Quick webapp reloading [was : Is jsp designed for use by large
websites]
Hello, listers !
2006/11/30, Rashmi Rubdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Remy is right, with JSPs also it's possible to instantly see your changes by
> simply refreshi
Hello, listers !
2006/11/30, Rashmi Rubdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Remy is right, with JSPs also it's possible to instantly see your changes by
simply refreshing your browser.
I would like to add though that this purely depends on how your project is
set up.
You can have Tomcat point to the fol
In regards to the aspects about the architecture I believe that the
choice of using JSP and Java technology is a good one for you and your
customers. The reason is the possibility for using Web services,
services and in the hopefully near future Semantic Web technologies. Its
a fact that it is
>> With JSPs, it was always: edit, save, deploy to
>>Tomcat, go to test launcher page, then click on link/button to launch
>>the modified page (refresh didn't always cause a recompile, don't know
>>if that was a browser or Tomcat (or Apache->Tomcat) issue).
Remy is right, with JSPs also it's possi
On 11/30/06, Nelson, Tracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
With PHP,
you tend to have two windows open: editor and browser. Change the page
in the editor, save the change, hit refresh on the browser: boom,
there's your change.
You can do that with JSP too (including taglibs which can be written
as
Nelson, Tracy wrote:
...
taglibs and other supporting classes in Java rather than use JavaScript.
Testing JSPs also seems to take longer, although a good IDE should make
it fast (I've never used an IDE that had good JSP support). With PHP,
Have you tried Eclipse? Not perfect, but pretty goo
| From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, 30 November, 2006 09:25
|
| The bottom line for the whole PHP versus Java thing for me is
perceived
| complexity of a project. If I want it done super fast and super
simple,
| I'll go for PHP. If I want to actually architect s
There is java implementation of PHP.
http://caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus.xtp
Thursday, November 30, 2006, 5:24:41 PM, you wrote:
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Martin,
Martin Gainty wrote:
> This is going O/T so feel free to ping me off the list
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> These current graphs may help if you want to gage PHP assignments
> http://mshiltonj.com/sm/categories/languages_p-z/
> then compare to Java assignments
> http:
How do you know that there are more PHP developers then Java?
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Thursday, November 30, 2006, 4:39:59 PM, you wrote:
HKN> I am a jsp developer ,too, but honestly not a j2ee guru.
HKN> I don't see any reason that jsp/j2ee w
I am a jsp developer ,too, but honestly not a j2ee guru.
I don't see any reason that jsp/j2ee will have a bad potential in the
future.
However, by the time jsf is mature, jsp users may be gradually transformed
to jsf/ajax developers which is a modern trend in the future.
jsp/jsf has one great ad
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Dear List,
JSP is designed to be used for Websites. Depending what you do with
it, changes where it can be used for a Large Web Site.
As for the questions.
1a. Who cares if JSP is not supported by web hosting companies -
Large web sites have t
Jack wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My logic is:
>
> 1a. JSP is not supported by many web hosting companies
> or is only supported in more expensive dedicated
> server plans. In contrast, open source alternatives
> such as php is well-supported by web hosting
> companies.
> -> Result: most small and me
,
distribution or copying of it or its
contents
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From: "Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tomcat Users List"
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
>> Good Morning Jack-
>> As Tomcat i
> Good Morning Jack-
> As Tomcat is OpenSource (and not proprietary) and
> can be installed on any OS (vs just 1) I dont
> undertand
> What is causing the number of Tomcat users to
> attenuate over time?
> M
Hello,
My logic is:
1a. JSP is not supported by many web hosting companies
or is only s
ally up to the hosting companies to install Tomcat on the backend.
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From: Martin Gainty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tomcat Users List
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:05:22 AM
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
Good Morning Jack-
As Tomcat is Open
: "Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tomcat Users List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
> Hello all,
>
> Anyone know if tomcat's roadmap includes any plans to
> make tomcat more web hos
Hello all,
Anyone know if tomcat's roadmap includes any plans to
make tomcat more web hosting friendly? If not, i think
the tomcat development team should consider about it,
because this problem is seriously constraining the
popularity of jsp and it forces web developers who
like jsp to consider o
omcat Users List
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:55:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
>
>
> Hello!
>
> If you want to develop a small or medium webapplication
> and you or your programmers is familiar with PHP I think
> it is no doubt u
To: Tomcat Users List
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:55:46 AM
Subject: Re: Is jsp designed for use by large websites
Hello!
If you want to develop a small or medium webapplication
and you or your programmers is familiar with PHP I think
it is no doubt use PHP.
Two years ago when I was in online
, php is well-supported by almost
> all web hosting companies. Is jsp designed for use by
> large websites that require dedicated servers? Do you
> think php is a better choice for small and medium
> sized websites that don&#x
is well-supported by almost
all web hosting companies. Is jsp designed for use by
large websites that require dedicated servers? Do you
think php is a better choice for small and medium
sized websites that don't require dedicated servers?
Thank you.
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