On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, John Maher wrote:
> So you think 100 years from now people will be entering text based
> commands?
Yes, for as long as people think, speak, write and read text, they
will use it to communicate with each other and the machines that
assist them. And they will cont
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Subject: Re: general questions
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:10 PM, John Maher wrote:
> Sorry I'm not reading anything on unix if I can help it. Text based
> operating systems will be obsolete. I know all you text gurus will
> argue to your death. But JCL was junk while it was
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 03:10:57PM -0400, John Maher wrote:
> Sorry I'm not reading anything on unix if I can help it.
With that statement, you've made it obvious that you don't actually
understand the capabilities of the CLI. Both CLI and GUI have their
uses, and it's definitely not the case that
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM, John Maher wrote:
>>A script is a wrapper around all of your programs and becomes a
> superset of all of them.
> lololol that has got to be the most unusual definition I have ever
> heard of a script. According to your definition, a macro in a word
> processer is
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:10 PM, John Maher wrote:
> Sorry I'm not reading anything on unix if I can help it. Text based
> operating systems will be obsolete. I know all you text gurus will
> argue to your death. But JCL was junk while it was still in use. It
> was used only because that had
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Maher wrote:
> Text based
> operating systems will be obsolete.
Errr, what? Have google, amazon, facebook, etc. all changed while I
wasn't looking?
> But JCL was junk while it was still in use.
So what does that have to do with bourne shell or bash or th
om: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:12 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Andreas Krey; David Chapman; Mark Phippard;
users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:57 PM, John Maher wrote:
>>
> A script is just a subset
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>
>
>
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> From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:52 PM
> To: John Maher
> Cc: Andreas Krey; David Chapman; Mark Phippard;
> users@subversion.apache.org
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&g
t stream and return one. How do
you think your commands work? They are programs.
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From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:52 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Andreas Krey; David Chapman; Mark Phippard;
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:57 PM, John Maher wrote:
>>
> A script is just a subset of a full fledged program. In other words, a
> program can do all a script can do and more.
That's the part you don't seem to be getting. A script is a wrapper
around all of your programs and becomes a superset of
a good laugh at this discussion. I know I am!!
Your turn.
John
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From: Andreas Krey [mailto:a.k...@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:36 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Les Mikesell; David Chapman; Mark Phippard;
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Subject: Re: general ques
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:11 PM, John Maher wrote:
>> You're confusing a single application with the whole command line
>> and *everything* it can invoke. In your picture that whole set of all
>> commands available now or in the future is the 'the application' for
>> which you'd need to design a
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:11:08 +, John Maher wrote:
...
> I don't understand this statement at all. I'm talking about a simple
> wrapper.
Ok, I got that wrong. But exactly for those wrappers there is no point in
trying to do *everything* the CLI can do in the GUI as well. Streamline
the most im
not
as limited as you believe them to be.
John
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From: Andreas Krey [mailto:a.k...@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:57 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Les Mikesell; David Chapman; Mark Phippard;
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Subject: Re: general questions
On Tue, 11 Sep 201
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, John Maher wrote:
> You don't have to like
> guis or programmers. But to say they are not useful or detrimental is a
> prejudice that can hurt you because it frankly is not a fact.
I've never said they weren't useful. I've said that they restrict you
to what th
u don't have to like
guis or programmers. But to say they are not useful or detrimental is a
prejudice that can hurt you because it frankly is not a fact.
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From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:30 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: David C
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:02:51 +, John Maher wrote:
...
> line can except take more time to do something. You're confusing the
> steps to design an application with the steps to design a wrapper.
You're confusing a single application with the whole command line
and *everything* it can invoke. I
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:02 AM, John Maher wrote:
> So there is NOTHING the gui can't do that the command
> line can except take more time to do something.
What they don't do is let me build on things that already work in
arbitrary ways (especially in other languages and on other
machines...),
work, it may cause problems. It
definitely is not optimal.
John
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From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:45 AM
To: John Maher
Cc: David Chapman; Mark Phippard; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:22 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Interesting discussion. It appears you have not had the chance to work
> with a good wrapper, or maybe you shun guis or something because there
> appears to be a strong bias to your statements.
First, let me remind you that you started the dis
Thanks Bob. Exactly what I was looking for.
John
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From: Bob Archer [mailto:bob.arc...@amsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:48 AM
To: John Maher; Thorsten Schöning; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: RE: general questions
> > If you think it would r
> > If you think it would require 44 click paths then that is indeed a poor
> > design.
> >
>
> Do you really have 44 repositories? Or 44 projects in a single repository?
>
> > 1 click to select the repository, 1 click to select all. I just
> > turned 44 click paths into 2 clicks. Sounds like
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:38 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks Mark!!! That might be exactly what I was looking for. Now I
> have an unusual question I don’t know if anyone knows the answer. I may
> just try it anyway. What happens if I have more ignores than I need. Will
> it hurt performance
:41 AM
To: John Maher
Cc: Bob Archer; Thorsten Schöning; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:32 AM, John Maher wrote:
On our server we have 21 repositories. One of those repositories
contains 44 projects (dlls). Each project needs
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:32 AM, John Maher wrote:
> On our server we have 21 repositories. One of those repositories contains
> 44 projects (dlls). Each project needs the svn:ignore property set.
>
> You're right, it is not common. But several times I had to leave tortoise
> to go to the comm
there is a better
way, I am just not sure what that way is, yet.
John
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From: Bob Archer [mailto:bob.arc...@amsi.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:59 PM
To: John Maher; Thorsten Schöning; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: RE: general questions
> If you think it
e picturing is nothing like what I am planning. lol. At least I
would never use the same words to describe it as you do.
John
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From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:29 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: David Chapman; Mark Phippard; use
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Subject: Re: general questions
On 9/10/2012 12:31 PM, John Maher wrote:
Thanks Dave, that was helpful.
I saw the svn prefix in the book but didn't know what it meant.
Your explanation was good.
The scripts are a
> If you think it would require 44 click paths then that is indeed a poor
> design.
>
Do you really have 44 repositories? Or 44 projects in a single repository?
> 1 click to select the repository, 1 click to select all. I just turned 44
> click paths
> into 2 clicks. Sounds like your vision
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM, John Maher wrote:
> I don't 100% agree. I've designed lots of guis. And there were times
> users discovered a feature I never intended. And I'm not talking about
> a bug called a feature. While true that the programmer has a lot to
> think about (fortunately I
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Subject: Re: general questions
Guten Tag John Maher,
am Montag, 10. September 2012 um 21:31 schrieben Sie:
> The scripts are a good idea, but I was thinking about a gui for the
> client side, kinda like Subversion Edge; basically a wrapper for the
> command line. Even though
On 9/10/2012 12:31 PM, John Maher wrote:
Thanks Dave, that was helpful.
I saw the svn prefix in the book but didn't know what it meant. Your
explanation was good.
The scripts are a good idea, but I was thinking about a gui for the
client side, kinda like Subversion Edge; basically a wrappe
Phippard; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John Maher wrote:
>
> The scripts are a good idea, but I was thinking about a gui for the
client
> side, kinda like Subversion Edge; basically a wrapper for the command
line.
> Even thou
Guten Tag John Maher,
am Montag, 10. September 2012 um 21:31 schrieben Sie:
> The scripts are a good idea, but I was thinking about a gui for the
> client side, kinda like Subversion Edge; basically a wrapper for the
> command line. Even though my first computer didn't have a mouse (or
> hard dri
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John Maher wrote:
>
> The scripts are a good idea, but I was thinking about a gui for the client
> side, kinda like Subversion Edge; basically a wrapper for the command line.
> Even though my first computer didn’t have a mouse (or hard drive) the gui is
> the way t
.
John
From: David Chapman [mailto:dcchap...@acm.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:12 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Mark Phippard; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On 9/10/2012 10:43 AM, John Maher wrote:
Thanks again, I'm learning.
I
Thank you very much. Now I can get back to reading.
John
From: Mark Phippard [mailto:markp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:06 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1
On 9/10/2012 10:43 AM, John Maher wrote:
Thanks again, I'm learning.
I appreciate the time put in to help me and I really don't want to
cost you more time, so I have a couple of yes/no questions.
So the only time to use svnadmin create without having a dedicated
server would be a single use
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:43 PM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks again, I’m learning.
>
> ** **
>
> I appreciate the time put in to help me and I really don’t want to cost
> you more time, so I have a couple of yes/no questions.
>
> ** **
>
> So the only time to use svnadmin create without ha
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 12:35 PM
To: John Maher; users@subversion.apache.org
Subject: Re: general questions
Please keep replies on the mailing list.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Maher wrote:
Thanks again Mark, you have been helpful. Let me clear some things u
Please keep replies on the mailing list.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks again Mark, you have been helpful. Let me clear some things up.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Let me clear up by what I mean as “local” repository. We have a svn
> server which has repositories on it.
Please keep replies on the mailing list.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks Mark.
>
> ** **
>
> Here’s what I am trying to do: learn subversion. To do this the best I
> could come up with is making some test projects and going through the
> commands to learn them.
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