Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-18 Thread Tom Arilla
I do not know this list, just subscribed to "test the waters", but after reading this thread I have in general positive impressions, i.e. there was a (mostly) sensible discussion and a solution to "the" bug. Possibly I will join you one day under my real name :) Unfortunately there was some damage

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-18 Thread Tom Arilla
Neil, I was trying to help. I found out numerous threads concerning very diferent IDEs, with a lot of people for which it was an important problem. The tone was not always the best when I was talking about the tone used by Netbeans devs towards their users, but I said that I was sorry for this. Do

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
> Where's your PR, then? > I was going to make it but Jan has already provided a solution. But I understand that as Netbeans is now made on devs' own time, in case of a bug/enhancement I should ask less and participate more.

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
2018 à 14:01, Neil C Smith a écrit : > On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 12:05, Tom Arilla wrote: > > Thank you for the information, but the thread started because of an > essential bug ignored for many years > > Essential to *whom*?! Doesn't look like that many users were that >

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
rs -- you can do so right > now and provide the pull request here: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulls > > Gj > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:05 PM Tom Arilla wrote: > >> >> > Just please stop referring to these stupid surveys >> &g

Fwd: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
> Just please stop referring to these stupid surveys Geertjan, do you have a proof that they are stupid? I think not, just like I do not have a proof that they are wise. > (do you know anything at all about who filled in those surveys, for > example?) > Yes. Look into the link if you want. --

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
Hopefully I was wrong with the "decreasing popularity", Netbeans seems to rebound https://zeroturnaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/06-IntelliJ-IDEA-continues-to-dominate-the-IDE-field-768x683.jpg Le mar. 16 oct. 2018 à 10:54, Tom Arilla a écrit : > The advantage of Netbeans

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-16 Thread Tom Arilla
ction of NetBeans' users would invest the > equivalent of an IntelliJ license (89 - 149 euro/year) back into NetBeans > development. > > --emi > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:12 PM Tom Arilla wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am a longtime user of Netbeans and

Re: History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-11 Thread Tom Arilla
Hi John, Yes we should be constructive, I am sorry for the tone of resignation. I have written it because I still find that Netbeans has the most clean design and would really want to use it further. I had no idea that something changed in handling the bugs and in the development scheme in general

History of one bug, or what is the attitude of NB devs

2018-10-11 Thread Tom Arilla
Hello, I am a longtime user of Netbeans and a submitted of many bugs. I see how practically none of them is ever resolved, so that I do not submit any bug report any more. I am wondering now (as probably many other users, given Netbeans' declining popularity) if to leave, given the (increasing?)