On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 02:27 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> The fellow I responded to is contributing to a thread which
> concerns precise differences between how different tools
> handle security. He already wrote one inaccurate statement,
> from which I infer that he is not writing very clearly, and
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 01:17 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > No, I mean sudo. In the default config it prompts for the user's
> > password.
>
> But the OP asked about "root password", not the user's password.
And I replied in order to help him with his underlying need, which is
not to know the root
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:39 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Today I was running system-config-printer to install all
> the various printers around here at work on a freshly
> installed fedora 13 system running as a brand new user
> in a standard gnome session.
As with other PolicyKit-enabled applicati
On 05/27/2010 03:30 PM, Andrew Parker wrote:
> I disagree. Nit picking details in this industry is essential for
> progress and understanding. Defending flawed terminology that imply
> security holes when they don't exist is foolish. I would like to
> thank Mike for his explanations, I for one h
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/27/2010 02:42 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> I'm aware of that information.
>>
>> Well, it seems that I was not clear enough in my statement.
>>
>
> There is no lack of clarity. When people refer to sudo remembering
> passwords, they are
Mike McCarty wrote:
[...]
> $ sudo ls -l /var/run/sudo/jmccarty
> total 8
> -rw--- 1 root root 0 May 14 12:47 13
> -rw--- 1 root root 0 Apr 23 03:23 18
> -rw--- 1 root root 0 May 21 16:03 24
> -rw--- 1 root root 0 May 26 15:07 33
> -rw--- 1 root root 0 May 27 02:55 3
On 05/27/2010 02:42 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:
> I'm aware of that information.
>
> Well, it seems that I was not clear enough in my statement.
>
There is no lack of clarity. When people refer to sudo remembering
passwords, they are certainly referring to the functionality and not the
implementa
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't CC me.
> On 05/27/2010 12:57 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> All programs which prompt for, and receive, passwords in clear
>> text form go to extra lengths to make sure that they do NOT
>> "remember" passwords in any form
>>
>
> Mike,
>
>
On 05/27/2010 12:57 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:
> All programs which prompt for, and receive, passwords in clear
> text form go to extra lengths to make sure that they do NOT
> "remember" passwords in any form
>
Mike,
Refer to the notes on password caching at
http://www.wlug.org.nz/SudoHowto
Th
On 05/27/2010 12:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I have seen claims on this list that the root password is
> remembered for a small amount of time so you don't keep
> getting asked. That has never worked for me, but I assumed
> it was just because I was running a non-standard session
> and was missing
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/27/2010 11:47 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>>> IOW it remembers it by logging it. How else would it do it except by
>>> recording it in a file?
>>>
>> I'm not interested in argumentation. It does not remember passwords,
>> period.
>>
On 05/27/2010 11:47 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>> IOW it remembers it by logging it. How else would it do it except by
>> recording it in a file?
>>
> I'm not interested in argumentation. It does not remember passwords,
> period.
>
I am not sure how you can d
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:48 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>>> AFAIK this is a function of 'sudo'. It asks you the first time and
>>> remembers for a few minutes after. I've never seen this behaviour
>> other
>>> than with sudo.
>> Umm, perhaps you mean su. The sudo command
On Wednesday 26 May 2010 10:41 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 May 2010 05:56 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Suvayu
>> Ali wrote:
>>> I believe what the OP is asking is the gui utility that remembers the
>>> authentication after a user enters the root password after th
On Wednesday 26 May 2010 05:56 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Suvayu Ali
> wrote:
>> I believe what the OP is asking is the gui utility that remembers the
>> authentication after a user enters the root password after the prompt by
>> a gui dialogue.
>
> You're right. I was be
rious printers around here at work on a freshly
>>> installed fedora 13 system running as a brand new user
>>> in a standard gnome session.
>>>
>>> I get three or four root password prompts for each
>>> separate printer install.
>>>
>>>
On 05/26/2010 06:17 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> In short you are better off configuring sudo and calling
> system-config-printer from the terminal like this,
>
> $ sudo system-config-printer
>
Sort of begs the question why the GUI does not use sudo ... let the gui
do what it does best .. goo-eee .
On Wed, 26 May 2010 15:17:41 -0700
Suvayu Ali wrote:
> In short you are better off configuring sudo and calling
> system-config-printer from the terminal like this,
>
> $ sudo system-config-printer
Yes, running this stuff as root usually works (except
for the brief period of time where the code
s a brand new user
>> in a standard gnome session.
>>
>> I get three or four root password prompts for each
>> separate printer install.
>>
>> Where is this mythical setting to make it
>> remember the password?
>
> I have never seen &qu
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 16:59 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
> >> and makes a new entry.
> >
> > IOW it remembers it by logging it. How else would it do it except by
> > recording it in a file?
> >
> > poc
> >
>
> It is an suid program - it doesn't need a password unless the policy
> chooses to
ard session
> and was missing something.
>
> Today I was running system-config-printer to install all
> the various printers around here at work on a freshly
> installed fedora 13 system running as a brand new user
> in a standard gnome session.
>
> I get three or four root pas
>> and makes a new entry.
>
> IOW it remembers it by logging it. How else would it do it except by
> recording it in a file?
>
> poc
>
It is an suid program - it doesn't need a password unless the policy
chooses to ask for one.
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On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:48 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > AFAIK this is a function of 'sudo'. It asks you the first time and
> > remembers for a few minutes after. I've never seen this behaviour
> other
> > than with sudo.
>
> Umm, perhaps you mean su. The sudo command does not prompt
> for the r
Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:39 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Where is this mythical setting to make it
>>> remember the password?
>> AFAIK this is a function of 'sudo'. It asks you the first time and
>> remembers for a few minutes after
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:39 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
[...]
>> Where is this mythical setting to make it
>> remember the password?
>
> AFAIK this is a function of 'sudo'. It asks you the first time and
> remembers for a few minutes after. I've never seen this behavio
ard session
> and was missing something.
>
> Today I was running system-config-printer to install all
> the various printers around here at work on a freshly
> installed fedora 13 system running as a brand new user
> in a standard gnome session.
>
> I get three or four
onfig-printer to install all
the various printers around here at work on a freshly
installed fedora 13 system running as a brand new user
in a standard gnome session.
I get three or four root password prompts for each
separate printer install.
Where is this mythical setting to make it
remember the pas
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