On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 21:56 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
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> On Jul 15, 2013 8:33 PM, "lee" wrote:
> >
> > Richard Vickery writes:
> >
> > > the installation program gives you everything you need to have an
> > > operational system; after you have it installed:
> > >
> > > fdisk
> > >
> > > is
On Jul 15, 2013 9:56 PM, "Richard Vickery"
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>
> On Jul 15, 2013 8:33 PM, "lee" wrote:
> >
> > Richard Vickery writes:
> >
> > > the installation program gives you everything you need to have an
> > > operational system; after you have it installed:
> > >
> > > fdisk
> > >
> > > is the co
On Jul 15, 2013 8:33 PM, "lee" wrote:
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> Richard Vickery writes:
>
> > the installation program gives you everything you need to have an
> > operational system; after you have it installed:
> >
> > fdisk
> >
> > is the command to create your much needed / loved partitions that the
> > installer
Am 15.07.2013 19:56, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, lee wrote:
>> Richard Vickery writes:
If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I
wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either.
>>>
>>> Why not install it and make partitio
Richard Vickery writes:
> the installation program gives you everything you need to have an
> operational system; after you have it installed:
>
> fdisk
>
> is the command to create your much needed / loved partitions that the
> installer did not.
Well ok, in that case you may be better off runn
Doug writes:
> Fedora and Korora installers are the same, and, to be honest, they suck!
> I don't usually post such language, but in this case it's deserved!
That's going a bit far, imho. It is awful when it comes to partitioning
and otherwise seems to work fine.
I guess the idea was to make i
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, lee wrote:
> Richard Vickery writes:
>
>>> If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I
>>> wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either.
>>
>> Why not install it and make partitions at a later time?
>
> Does the installer support cr
On 7/15/2013 12:57 AM, lee wrote:
Richard Vickery writes:
If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I
wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either.
Why not install it and make partitions at a later time?
Does the installer support creating a file system direct
Richard Vickery writes:
>> If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I
>> wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either.
>
> Why not install it and make partitions at a later time?
Does the installer support creating a file system directly on a device
without parti
Ian Malone writes:
> On 14 July 2013 00:51, lee wrote:
>> Ian Malone writes:
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>>> On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote:
>>
>> Are you referring to the option the installer gives you to do your
>> own/custom partitioning? If so, you can do that, but you do not know
>> where on the disks the part
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, lee wrote:
> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes:
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>> | From: Tom Horsley
>>
>> | How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk
>> | drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"?
>> | (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push
On 14 July 2013 00:51, lee wrote:
> Ian Malone writes:
>
>> On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote:
>>> And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning
>>> that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for
>>> you is a nice option to have and it's not en
Ian Malone writes:
> On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote:
>> And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning
>> that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for
>> you is a nice option to have and it's not enough.
>>
>
> On install from live discs at
François Patte writes:
> Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit :
>> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes:
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>
>> You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or
>> encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get
>> that? Can you install Fedora on software raid with the par
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Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit :
> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes:
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> You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or
> encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get
> that? Can you install Fedora on software rai
On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote:
>
> And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning
> that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for
> you is a nice option to have and it's not enough.
>
On install from live discs at least there is definitely
"D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes:
> | From: Tom Horsley
>
> | How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk
> | drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"?
> | (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push the reset button :-).
> |
> | No power on earth cou
Hi
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM, François Patte <
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> Le 12/07/2013 05:45, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
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> File a bug report on what? So many problems with this "new" anaconda!
> the partitionning pro
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Le 12/07/2013 05:45, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
> Hi
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, D. Hugh RedelmeierAnaconda's screens
> need to be more wordy to make things clearer
>
> and less scary to the user.
>
>
> Perhaps you can file a bug rep
On 12 July 2013 12:23, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 23:45 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, D. Hugh RedelmeierAnaconda's screens
>> need to be more wordy to make things clearer
>> and less scary to the user.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 23:45 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, D. Hugh RedelmeierAnaconda's screens
> need to be more wordy to make things clearer
> and less scary to the user.
>
>
> Perhaps you can file a bug report? It appears in this thread, no
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 22:11 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> Anaconda's screens need to be more wordy to make things clearer
> and less scary to the user.
Agreed. I found several things confusing about it, especially the
partitioning screen, though I finally managed it. However it's worth
noting
Hi
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, D. Hugh RedelmeierAnaconda's screens need
to be more wordy to make things clearer
> and less scary to the user.
>
Perhaps you can file a bug report? It appears in this thread, noone yet
has done this
Rahul
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| From: Tom Horsley
| How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk
| drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"?
| (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push the reset button :-).
|
| No power on earth could get me to click "Done" under those circum
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:23:07 Tom Horsley wrote:
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> With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've
> pretty much decided the best way to go is to pick the
> minimal install to get out of anaconda as soon as possible
> and then use yum to install what I really need.
When I did a Net
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:07:30 -0400
Wade Hampton wrote:
> I finally just increased the size of the VM to 10G, took the default
> gnome desktop option, and let it run. I'll have to manually install
> the development packages I need.
With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've
pretty
[snip]
> While I don't quite understand the rationale behind this new installer
> (started in F18), the installer itself is a hit-or-miss. Sometimes,
> after a lot of cursing, I have been successful, later coming back
[snip]
I concur with the frustration with the new installer. It needs
further w
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 13:26 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> A poor workman blames his tools.
And an idiot thinks there's nothing wrong with broken tools.
Some programmers, and users, seriously need to read "The Emperor's New
Clothes."
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[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
D
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:03 +,
davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote:
> Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting.
Or for thread hijacking? (Your message was not in reply to what I
wrote, but that's how you posted it...)
> My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:39 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
> One security-oriented response to your statement is that you
> fundamentally never know whether or not you have been compromised.
> You only know you have not discovered evidence of a compromise.
Yet another reason for fresh installs, rather
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Le 08/07/2013 22:26, Robert Holtzman a écrit :
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>> Many thanks to all those crapy packagers who think that common
>> peopl
Doug wrote:
> Whoever is responsible for this installer should be tied in front
> of a Windows machine for the next 6 months or so as punishment!
Actually Windows - at least Windows XP - is very good on this score.
It tells you clearly what partitions it sees,
and asks you where you would like to
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:53:22 -0400 Doug wrote:
> On 07/08/2013 09:23 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > On 07/08/2013 09:09 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
> >> Fred Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
> >>> I di
On 07/08/2013 09:23 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> On 07/08/2013 09:09 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
>> Fred Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
>>> I did NOT want to wipe out all the partitions, just some of them..
On 07/09/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
Fred Smith wrote:
I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
I did NOT want to wipe out all the partitions, just some of them...
How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a w
On 07/08/2013 09:09 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
Fred Smith wrote:
I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
I did NOT want to wipe out all the partitions, just some of them...
How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a w
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
Fred Smith wrote:
> I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
> I did NOT want to wipe out all the partitions, just some of them...
How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk
drive then, as the only possible
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 09:47:56AM -0400, Temlakos wrote:
> On 07/08/2013 08:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >Alexander Volovics wrote:
> >
> >>Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est:
> >>'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'.
> >>
> >>First there are 'instal
Am 08.07.2013 22:26, schrieb Robert Holtzman:
>> Also, no time for installation is displayed, I'm stcked there waiting
>> for an end!
>>
>> Many thanks to all those crapy packagers who think that common people
>> are to stupid to manage their own computer!
>
> Wrong!
>
> Everyone else seems to
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
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> Sujet: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora
> Date : Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:54:28 +0200
> De : Fra
Alexander Volovics writes:
> (It's a lot like reading math books/papers skipping the proofs
> because you want to try them yourselve first).
> Here you browse the guides and then experiment with anaconda.
>
> And François is no newcomer to the list or linux.
That a non-newcomer cannot figure ou
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote:
Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting.
My $0.02 on this topic.
My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated but I see no reason to upgrade it
as there are 3 firewalls between it and the Net. It is doing w
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Le 08/07/2013 18:03, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com a écrit :
> Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting.
>
> My $0.02 on this topic.
>
> My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated but I see no reason to
> upgrade it as
users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:52:10
To:
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora
Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, François Patte sent:
> But this requires to have two computers: while you ins
Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, François Patte sent:
> But this requires to have two computers: while you install one, you
> follow the instructions on the other.
I've, long since, come to realise that it's nearly impossible to manage
with just one computer. Your instructions are on-file/on-
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Le 08/07/2013 13:49, Alexander Volovics a écrit :
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
>
>> Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan procaccia a écrit :
>>> I did had the possibility to partition manually ! I choosed my
>>> disk, unche
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> The default should always be to leave things as they are,
> as far as possible.
Did you protest against the new anaconda, I can't remember.
I didn't because I believe in flexibility and adaptation,
certainly when the end result is
On 07/08/2013 08:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Alexander Volovics wrote:
Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est:
'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'.
First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the
other long-winded and turgid).
Alexander Volovics wrote:
> Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est:
> 'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'.
>
> First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the
> other long-winded and turgid).
> By browsing these you would have know
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
> Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan procaccia a écrit :
> > I did had the possibility to partition manually ! I choosed my disk,
> > uncheck it and check it again then it proposed me to partition
> > manullay ("personalisé "). that's for th
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Sujet: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora
Date : Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:54:28 +0200
De : François Patte
Organisation : Université Paris Descartes
Pour : jehan.procac...@tem-tsp.eu
Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan
François Patte wrote:
> Once upon a time, install fedora was easy: you had to choose between an
> automatic installation and a customised installation.
>
> Now, I get a stupid screen which allows to choose an environment (gnome,
> xfce,) bravo! And *I can only choose (so there is no choice!!!
I did had the possibility to partition manually !
I choosed my disk, uncheck it and check it again then it proposed me to
partition manullay ("personalisé ").
that's for the manual way to install, here we are deploying dozens of
fedora19, in that case the use of kickstart and partition option wi
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Bonjour,
Once upon a time, install fedora was easy: you had to choose between an
automatic installation and a customised installation.
Now, I get a stupid screen which allows to choose an environment (gnome,
xfce,) bravo! And *I can only choose (
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