Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> It's just simpler for the end user --- the "just plug it in" philosophy is
> what most of ordinary (non-geek) people expect.
I find this phrase "it just works" incredibly annoying.
Most programs work most of the time,
many work all the time - cat, vi, ssh, apache, perl, o
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>
> HTH, :-)
> Marko
This thread contains 32 messages, and has served as a forum for the list
regulars to discuss the relative merits of NetworkManager since the eighth
message. I'm not trying to single you out, Marko - the OP hasn't been
helped by anyone.
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On Saturday 14 January 2012 15:11:00 Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I haven't understood what problem, precisely, you would have
> if you were not using NM?
Suppose you have a laptop and a desktop on your local LAN. Desktop is normally
on a wired connection, while the laptop is normally on wifi. Then at
Tim wrote:
>>> It's there to deal with changing networks, such as my laptop being
>>> either wired or wireless, on any LAN, automatically. And it does that
>>> fine, for me. To force it into only dealing with WiFi would make it
>>> useless.
>
> Timothy Murphy:
>> Do you mean that your ethernet
Tim:
>> It's there to deal with changing networks, such as my laptop being
>> either wired or wireless, on any LAN, automatically. And it does that
>> fine, for me. To force it into only dealing with WiFi would make it
>> useless.
Timothy Murphy:
> Do you mean that your ethernet and WiFi are on
Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 14:26 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> That's why I wish NM would stick to WiFi.
>
> It's there to deal with changing networks, such as my laptop being
> either wired or wireless, on any LAN, automatically. And it does that
> fine, for me. To force it into only
On 01/13/2012 06:18 PM, Tim wrote:
Such as, half using DHCP, then manually overriding
some of the settings sent out by the DHCP server (all those people
complaining about hosts or resolve.conf files being ignored - who should
really be customising their DHCP client, not directly messing with
netw
On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 14:26 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> That's why I wish NM would stick to WiFi.
It's there to deal with changing networks, such as my laptop being
either wired or wireless, on any LAN, automatically. And it does that
fine, for me. To force it into only dealing with WiFi woul
T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
>> Personally, I think NM tries to do too much;
>> I would much prefer an application that just dealt with WiFi.
>
> Really, wired connections require absolutely nothing extra that
> NetworkManager wouldn't have to deal with for wifi connections, so why
> not let it hand
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Personally, I think NM tries to do too much;
> I would much prefer an application that just dealt with WiFi.
Really, wired connections require absolutely nothing extra that
NetworkManager wouldn't have to deal with for wifi connections, so
On 01/12/2012 02:35 PM, Michael Hannon wrote:
I'm beginning to think that resistance is futile and have started to accept
the inevitability of NM.
Only if you're being Borged. IMAO, it's far more accurate to shout,
"Resistance is USELESS!" along with the Vogons.
Seriously, as I don't use it
> From: Joe Zeff
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:46 AM
Hi, Joe.
> My desktop doesn't use NM, and for a very good reason: it nuked my DNS
> numbers every time I rebooted until I permanently disabled it. I've not had
> a single issue of that kind since I went back to using network.
I'm be
On 11/01/12 10:47 PM, John De Graw wrote:
> I have the computer wired to a hub which is wired to the router. Three
> other computers (wireless & wired) are going through the same router and
> having no difficulties. When I run the "ifconfig" command in terminal
> it says it is up and connected.
On 12/01/12 7:07 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 10:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> Note that you also need to configure NM to manage your interface,
>> otherwise NM will report it as offline even when it's online
>
> Don't you mean deliberately configure network manager to be NOT m
On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 10:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Note that you also need to configure NM to manage your interface,
> otherwise NM will report it as offline even when it's online
Don't you mean deliberately configure network manager to be NOT managing
an interface that it doesn't act
Firefox just says "server not found". It is running in online mode. I
will try re-installing the browser and see what happens.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> On Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM, "John De Graw" wrote:
> >
> > I have the computer wired to a hub which is wired to th
On Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM, "John De Graw" wrote:
>
> I have the computer wired to a hub which is wired to the router. Three
other computers (wireless & wired) are going through the same router and
having no difficulties. When I run the "ifconfig" command in terminal it
says it is up and connected.
I have the computer wired to a hub which is wired to the router. Three
other computers (wireless & wired) are going through the same router and
having no difficulties. When I run the "ifconfig" command in terminal it
says it is up and connected. When I ran the "ethtool em1" command I got
the "ca
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> And I've never had an issue with NM since I started using it, though to
> judge from the list traffic, other people have. Go figure.
In my experience NM works about 95%, or even 99%, of the time;
but when there is a problem it is extremely difficult
(or perhaps I shou
On 01/11/2012 12:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
And I've never had an issue with NM since I started using it, though to
judge from the list traffic, other people have. Go figure.
My laptop uses NM because network doesn't handle WiFi gracefully. The
only problem I've ever had with it is hav
On 11/01/12 2:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/11/2012 06:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> This has been discussed before on the list. Note that you also need to
>> configure NM to manage your interface, otherwise NM will report it as
>> offline even when it's online.
>
> My desktop doesn't use
On 01/11/2012 06:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
This has been discussed before on the list. Note that you also need to
configure NM to manage your interface, otherwise NM will report it as
offline even when it's online.
My desktop doesn't use NM, and for a very good reason: it nuked my DNS
On 01/11/2012 06:26 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Firefox doesn't know whether
it's on purpose or accident
...and doesn't need to. Dropped is dropped. And, if the user's trying
to browse, he/she probably isn't aware of what's happened and should be
told.
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On 01/11/2012 05:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The
Firefox maintainers have chosen to assume that most users are not
going to mess with the innards of networking scripts, and that letting
NM manage connections is the most prudent move if you have to make one
choice for everyone.
There are ways
On 11/01/12 2:32 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/10/2012 07:06 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
>> Browse to"about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to
>> "false".
>>
>> IIRC this happens when you use the network service instead of
>> NetworkManager. Firefox queries NetworkManager for the
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 01:48:47PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
> >> > Browse to "about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to
> >> > "false".
> >> >
> >> > IIRC this happens when you use the network service instead of
> >> > NetworkManager. Firefox queries
Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> > Browse to "about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to
>> > "false".
>> >
>> > IIRC this happens when you use the network service instead of
>> > NetworkManager. Firefox queries NetworkManager for the offline
>> > status, and thinks you're offline when it
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:36:56PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
>
> >> Make sure it's not set to work in Offline Mode. My copy keeps resetting
> >> that every time it restarts and so far I haven't gotten it to stop.
> >
> > Browse to "about:config" and set "network.ma
T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
>> Make sure it's not set to work in Offline Mode. My copy keeps resetting
>> that every time it restarts and so far I haven't gotten it to stop.
>
> Browse to "about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to
> "false".
>
> IIRC this happens when you use the n
On 01/10/2012 07:06 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
Browse to"about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to "false".
IIRC this happens when you use the network service instead of
NetworkManager. Firefox queries NetworkManager for the offline
status, and thinks you're offline when it's
Hello John, maybe you can describe a more little bit? Perhaps there is
a problem with your network configuration, nor Firefox. Do you managed
your wired connction settings using Network-Manager?
2012/1/11 John De Graw :
> Hello Fedora Community, I just installed Fedora 16 and although I am using
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Make sure it's not set to work in Offline Mode. My copy keeps resetting
> that every time it restarts and so far I haven't gotten it to stop.
Browse to "about:config" and set "network.manage-offline-status" to "false".
IIRC this happens when yo
On 01/10/2012 06:24 PM, John De Graw wrote:
Hello Fedora Community, I just installed Fedora 16 and although I am
using a wired connection, Firefox can't connect. I updated the program
and can add software just fine but web browser keeps giving me error
messages. What am I missing here? It was
Hello Fedora Community, I just installed Fedora 16 and although I am using
a wired connection, Firefox can't connect. I updated the program and can
add software just fine but web browser keeps giving me error messages.
What am I missing here? It was a fresh install with no other OS on the
comput
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