Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 17:32:14 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > That said, I have noticed that install off USB thumb drive is faster than DVD > by > a good bit, even though the transfer rate off a DVD is almost certainly > faster. > This suggests that seek is the limiting factor delay rather

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 16:06:35 +0100, > Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> I did test an lzma compressed live image (non-functional due to no kernel >>> support) for the games spin and found it was 10% (400 MiB) smaller than >>> the zlib compressed ver

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> Generally speaking, trying to compress something that's already >>> compressed doesn't gain you anything. Often, things will get bigger >>> (e.g. new archive headers will be added to the file), and you're just >>> creating more decompressing work to be done. > > Mike McCarty

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-14 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Generally speaking, trying to compress something that's already >> compressed doesn't gain you anything. Often, things will get bigger >> (e.g. new archive headers will be added to the file), and you're just >> creating more decompressing work to be done. Mike McCarty: > Yes, that's corre

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:35 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote: >> The rpms are xz compressed but the isos are not. That is what I am >> asking, or is it too much compression? When is so much too much? > > Generally speaking, trying to compress something that's already > compressed doesn

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 16:06:35 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I did test an lzma compressed live image (non-functional due to no kernel > > support) for the games spin and found it was 10% (400 MiB) smaller than > > the zlib compressed version. > > Isn't the basic s

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I did test an lzma compressed live image (non-functional due to no kernel > support) for the games spin and found it was 10% (400 MiB) smaller than > the zlib compressed version. Isn't the basic strength of lzma a very big dictionary window? I would have said this is not e

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 20:06:00 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear fellow users, > > I want to pose a quick questions. I know Mr. A Robatino posts deltaisos > regularly which amounts to a certain amount of savings when one downloads a > deltaiso. Although I have never downloaded one, I

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-10 Thread NoSpaze
Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 20:35 -0800 schrieb Antonio Olivares: > Yes, But I must ask again, rpm is using xz compression, but can > it be recompressed again with xz, No it cannot. Recompressing something that is already compressed, normally ends in growing the final result. > xz is already

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:35 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote: > The rpms are xz compressed but the isos are not. That is what I am > asking, or is it too much compression? When is so much too much? Generally speaking, trying to compress something that's already compressed doesn't gain you anything.

lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Andre Robatino
Antonio Olivares wrote: > Andre/others on list, > The question is why doesn't Fedora use xz compression on the isos > like TeXLive2009 did it with their isos? If they were to be done > like that how does the compression match vs the Deltaisos that you > kindly provide for many Fedora users? I t

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Antonio Olivares wrote: > From: Antonio Olivares > Subject: Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:35 PM > > > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Andre Robati

Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Andre Robatino wrote: > From: Andre Robatino > Subject: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:31 PM > Starting with Fedora 12, RPM packages > are compressed using XZ instea

lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Andre Robatino
Starting with Fedora 12, RPM packages are compressed using XZ instead of gzip. As a result, the F12 ISOs are smaller: F11 DVD sizes (bytes): i386: 3683829760 ppc: 4606894080 x86_64: 4268124160 F12 DVD sizes (bytes): i386: 3204427776 ppc: 3738935296 x86_64: 3537600512 See http://fedoraproject.o

lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

2010-03-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear fellow users, I want to pose a quick questions. I know Mr. A Robatino posts deltaisos regularly which amounts to a certain amount of savings when one downloads a deltaiso. Although I have never downloaded one, I ask if one can save more bandwidth if we use lzma compression. I ask this q