Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions."). [CLOSED]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 3:33 PM home user wrote: > I have a few minutes to come back to this. > > It seems to me that the font tools do not have a minor bug. Rather, they > were probably fine years ago when fonts were fewer and generally > simpler. Now there are more fonts, and they seem to be mo

Re: font longevity questions. [CLOSED]

Type 1" and which are not? I was hoping that somewhere in its website, Fedora has a list of what comes with it by default. I haven't found one, and no one mentioned one. Another possible solution would be a new, more powerful font tool. See my post to the "font tools (was &quo

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions."). [CLOSED]

I have a few minutes to come back to this. It seems to me that the font tools do not have a minor bug. Rather, they were probably fine years ago when fonts were fewer and generally simpler.  Now there are more fonts, and they seem to be more complicated.  So either the font tools need major en

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 2:14 AM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > A font viewer should only use the system font folders and any modern > font viewer will use fontconfig, which won't be looking in random > directories. > The fontconfig system has a well defined way to configure the directories it searches,

Re: font longevity questions.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:03 PM home user wrote: [...] > 1. What fonts are by default automatically installed by Fedora (whether > by a new install or by "dnf system-upgrade"? Equivalently, which of the > fonts on my work station were put there by Fedora itself, and which were > installed by oth

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Tue, 2022-05-24 at 22:14 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > A font viewer should only use the system font folders and any modern > font viewer will use fontconfig, which won't be looking in random > directories. It's not really random directories, though. There's the everyone's fonts in a system lo

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/24/22 19:39, Tim via users wrote: Tim: [re duplicates of some fonts] That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.afm /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.otf /usr/share/fonts/urw

Re: font longevity questions.

On Tue, 2022-05-24 at 21:01 -0600, home user wrote: > 1. What fonts are by default automatically installed by Fedora > (whether by a new install or by "dnf system-upgrade"? Equivalently, > which of the fonts on my work station were put there by Fedora > itself, and which were installed by other pa

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/13/22 10:23 AM, home user wrote: On 5/10/22 9:21 AM, home user wrote: I'd like to suspend this thread for a few days while I go to the LibreOffice community with a few LibreOffice-specific questions. thanks, Bill. Back to this. According to the LibreOffice community, LibreOffice insta

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

Tim: [re duplicates of some fonts] >> That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. >> >> [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold >> /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.afm >> /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.otf >> /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/24/22 1:28 PM, home user wrote: On 5/23/22 10:09 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 14:05 -0600, home user wrote: are some fonts actually on my work station twice? That can happen.  Different things may provide those fonts. [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold /usr/share/

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/24/22 4:37 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/24/22 12:41, home user wrote: On 5/24/22 12:31 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/23/22 22:45, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: [... snip ...] I don't see the problem, but if you really have a problem with how th

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:18 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 14:05 -0600, home user wrote: > > are some fonts actually on my work station twice? > > That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. > > [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold > /usr/share/fonts/urw-base3

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:41 PM home user wrote: > On 5/24/22 12:31 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 5/23/22 22:45, Tim via users wrote: > >> On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >>> You're not seeing the whole name. If you click on them, you'll see > >>> they are different. Reg

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/24/22 12:41, home user wrote: On 5/24/22 12:31 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/23/22 22:45, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: You're not seeing the whole name.  If you click on them, you'll see they are different.  Regular and 3 types of condensed. T

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/23/22 21:09, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 14:05 -0600, home user wrote: are some fonts actually on my work station twice? That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.afm /u

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/24/22 12:31 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/23/22 22:45, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: You're not seeing the whole name.  If you click on them, you'll see they are different.  Regular and 3 types of condensed. That's how I knew they were 4 differe

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/23/22 10:09 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 14:05 -0600, home user wrote: are some fonts actually on my work station twice? That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.afm

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/23/22 22:45, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: You're not seeing the whole name. If you click on them, you'll see they are different. Regular and 3 types of condensed. Terrible GUI design if it doesn't give you some indication that the name's bee

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 21:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > You're not seeing the whole name. If you click on them, you'll see > they are different. Regular and 3 types of condensed. Terrible GUI design if it doesn't give you some indication that the name's been truncated. Are users supposed to aro

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On 5/23/22 13:05, home user wrote: notice 4 fonts called "Noto Sans".  They are different from each other. Notice 4 fonts called "Noto Sans, Bold".  They are different from each other.  There are other examples.  This is only my opinion, but they should have different names.  Is the problem in

Re: font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 14:05 -0600, home user wrote: > are some fonts actually on my work station twice? That can happen. Different things may provide those fonts. [tim@rocky ~]$ locate NimbusMonoPS-Bold /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bold.afm /usr/share/fonts/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS-Bo

font tools (was "font longevity questions.").

(Fedora 35) In the original post of the "font longevity questions/", I said: > By the way, why do so many fonts show up twice > in the font selection tools? First, the only fonts I recall installing myself are the "Nimbus Roman No9 L" fonts. The tools are (in gno

Re: font longevity questions.

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 12:07 PM George N. White III wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:35 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:21 AM home user wrote: >> > >> > Good morning, >> > >> > I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, .. >> Backup a

Re: font longevity questions.

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 07:42 -0600, James Szinger wrote: > Try markdown if LaTeX is too complicated. Markdown is a simple, > text-based markup language that can be automatically converted to > other formats, including HTML, LaTeX, PDF, and MS Word. I may have another look at these. I don't partic

Re: font longevity questions.

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 07:42 -0600, James Szinger wrote: > I don’t grok word processors.  Plain text is just as good for simple > documents and WYSIWYG interferes with complicated formatting.  Many > of the Word files I get from my colleagues are a mess. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan: WYSIWYG m

Re: font longevity questions.

On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:21:32 +0930 Tim via users wrote: > On Fri, 2022-05-13 at 07:48 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > I'd briefly looked at LaTex, decided it was more pain that is worth > for *me* to learn, but lots of people provide that same advice. > Having been down the road, before, of u

Re: font longevity questions.

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 11:21 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > I'd briefly looked at LaTex, decided it was more pain that is worth > for *me* to learn, but lots of people provide that same advice.  > Having been down the road, before, of using proprietary word proc doc > formats that couldn't be used el

Re: font longevity questions.

On Fri, 2022-05-13 at 10:23 -0600, home user wrote: >> By the way, why do so many fonts show up twice in the font >> selection tools? I can't say I've noticed that, but I haven't installed lots of fonts recently. It's many years since I went on a font binge. I can think of a few things: The top

Re: font longevity questions.

On Fri, 2022-05-13 at 07:48 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > LaTeX and ConTeXt source files are plain text, and with markup is > intended to convey structure. The choices for fonts and > "decorations" are provided in "styles". Publishers often provide > their own styles to authors. That's ho

Re: font longevity questions.

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:35 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:21 AM home user wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > > > I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, > > that I'm converting to LibreOffice Writer in Fedora-35. I'm having to > > do this in

Re: font longevity questions.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:21 AM home user wrote: > > Good morning, > > I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, > that I'm converting to LibreOffice Writer in Fedora-35. I'm having to > do this in 3 steps Add a 4th step to your checklist. Backup and transfer the

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/10/22 9:21 AM, home user wrote: I'd like to suspend this thread for a few days while I go to the LibreOffice community with a few LibreOffice-specific questions. thanks, Bill. Good morning, I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, that I'm converting to

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/12/22 7:30 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 21:37 -0600, home user wrote: I did some serious experimenting this past winter. Writer could not adequately handle the word-2010 documents. I even tried first converting the word-2010 documents to word-2016. Writer could not adeq

Re: font longevity questions.

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 10:31 PM Tim via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 21:37 -0600, home user wrote: > > I did some serious experimenting this past winter. Writer could not > > adequately handle the word-2010 documents. I even tried first > > converting th

Re: font longevity questions.

On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 21:37 -0600, home user wrote: > I did some serious experimenting this past winter. Writer could not > adequately handle the word-2010 documents. I even tried first > converting the word-2010 documents to word-2016. Writer could not > adequately handle those. Either way,

Re: font longevity questions.

Tim: >> There are are lookup tables that allow automatic substitution of >> unavailable fonts. You can configure your own choices in them, so >> when you load a file with missing fonts it substitutes your choice >> when it displays it. You don't have to modify the document. Bill: > I looked at t

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/11/22 3:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 5/11/22 15:06, Samuel Sieb wrote: You could copy the Doc files to Fedora and open them directly in Writer.  Save them in ODT format only when you need to edit them. Or, just leave them as .doc files if/when you edit them.  LO has no problem with that.

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/11/22 3:06 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/10/22 08:21, home user wrote: [... snip ...] 2. Writer files are copied to my Fedora workstation. Why don't you just copy the font files from Windows to your Fedora system?  Then you won't have to change it.  Also, why are you copying the conten

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/11/22 15:06, Samuel Sieb wrote: You could copy the Doc files to Fedora and open them directly in Writer.  Save them in ODT format only when you need to edit them. Or, just leave them as .doc files if/when you edit them. LO has no problem with that. __

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/10/22 08:21, home user wrote: I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, that I'm converting to LibreOffice Writer in Fedora-35.  I'm having to do this in 3 steps: 1. In windows-7, content is copied from the word files to Writer files. Tweaks are made to lin

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/10/22 7:41 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2022-05-10 at 09:21 -0600, home user wrote: [... snip ...] There are are lookup tables that allow automatic substitution of unavailable fonts. You can configure your own choices in them, so when you load a file with missing fonts it substitutes

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/10/22 3:46 PM, George N. White III wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 12:21 PM home user > wrote: [... snip ...] 2. Writer files are copied to my Fedora workstation. Unfortunately, neither Times New Roman nor Vivaldi are available in Fedora-35.  So I

Re: font longevity questions.

On Tue, 2022-05-10 at 09:21 -0600, home user wrote: > Unfortunately, neither Times New Roman nor Vivaldi are available in > Fedora-35. So I need a step 3: to convert the fonts to choices that > are available in Fedora-35, and are expected to be available for a > long time to come. It's that last

Re: font longevity questions.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 12:21 PM home user wrote: > Good morning, > > I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, > that I'm converting to LibreOffice Writer in Fedora-35. I'm having to > do this in 3 steps: > > 1. In windows-7, content is copied from the word files

Re: font longevity questions.

On 5/10/22 10:16 AM, Kam Leo wrote: Why not convert your files to PDF? You can embed all your fonts in each document and maintain your formatting, .i.e. the "look and feel".. 1. I've previously created Writer docs in Fedora, and then later edited them and found that the font used when creating

Re: font longevity questions.

Why not convert your files to PDF? You can embed all your fonts in each document and maintain your formatting, .i.e. the "look and feel".. On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:21 AM home user wrote: > Good morning, > > I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, > that I'm conv

font longevity questions.

Good morning, I have about 240 microsoft office word 2010 documents, all 9+ years old, that I'm converting to LibreOffice Writer in Fedora-35.  I'm having to do this in 3 steps: 1. In windows-7, content is copied from the word files to Writer files.  Tweaks are made to line spacing in tables