Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Rick Stevens | Keep in mind that SuSE is not based in the United States and can, if | they so choose, thumb their noses at US patent and copyright law. Red | Hat IS based in the US and cannot (well, will not) knowingly violate US | law. 1. US has a nasty habit of "extraterritoriality" 2

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2016-03-16 at 14:40 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > On that note, is Fedora going to offer native ZFS any time soon? I > know Ubuntu 16.04 will release with it native. IIRC that's not going to happen as long as ZFS is under the Oracle license. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 4:55 AM Neal Becker wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Neal Becker > wrote: > >> If I had known that, I might not have chosen btrfs for my filesystems. > >> Came as a rude surprise when I suddenly needed more swap space, and > >> couldn't d

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2016-03-18 at 06:54 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > Some years ago Fedora promoted btrfs as the next great FS, to replace > all others. I never saw this problem mentioned - somewhere there > should be a warning that if you choose btrfs for all your large FS you > might want a larger partition

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Mark Haney | Ubuntu's using OpenZFS, which is under the CDDL. IANAL, but I don't see | that as a showstopper for Fedora including it in the future. My bet is that those who want to think it is OK will get away with it but tha

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/16/2016 12:11 PM, Mark Haney wrote: Ubuntu's using OpenZFS, which is under the CDDL. IANAL, but I don't see that as a showstopper for Fedora including it in the future. There's disagreement about the issue: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/ -- users mailing list u

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Mark Haney
I was surprised that btrfs is still not considered production ready after all this time. I don't recall ext3/4 taking this long to be considered production ready. Of course, had I done due diligence, I wouldn't have put a couple of btrfs based web servers in production before finding that nasty i

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/16/2016 05:05 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: Mark Haney | Ubuntu's using OpenZFS, which is under the CDDL. IANAL, but I don't see | that as a showstopper for Fedora including it in the future. My bet is that those who w

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/16/2016 05:25 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Keep in mind that SuSE is not based in the United States and can, if they so choose, thumb their noses at US patent and copyright law. SuSE, AFAIK, isn't planning to distribute ZFS. That's Canonical. They're also not based in the US, but they'd pro

btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Neal Becker
If I had known that, I might not have chosen btrfs for my filesystems. Came as a rude surprise when I suddenly needed more swap space, and couldn't do it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread James Hogarth
On 17 Mar 2016 06:10, "Gordon Messmer" wrote: > > On 03/16/2016 05:25 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> >> >> Keep in mind that SuSE is not based in the United States and can, if >> they so choose, thumb their noses at US patent and copyright law. > > > SuSE, AFAIK, isn't planning to distribute ZFS. Tha

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Neal Becker
Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Neal Becker wrote: >> If I had known that, I might not have chosen btrfs for my filesystems. >> Came as a rude surprise when I suddenly needed more swap space, and >> couldn't do it. > > You might check the FAQ and also the Gotchas list to

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/16/2016 06:03 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: Rick Stevens | Keep in mind that SuSE is not based in the United States and can, if | they so choose, thumb their noses at US patent and copyright law. Red | Hat IS based in the US and cannot (well, will not) knowingly violate US | law.

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > If I had known that, I might not have chosen btrfs for my filesystems. Came > as a rude surprise when I suddenly needed more swap space, and couldn't do > it. You might check the FAQ and also the Gotchas list to make sure you're not missing

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-18 Thread J.Witvliet
Some features are not production ready, most features however are Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 16 mrt. 2016 om 19:40 heeft Mark Haney mailto:mark.ha...@vifprogram.com>> het volgende geschreven: I was surprised that btrfs is still not considered production ready after all this time. I d

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-18 Thread Mark Haney
Ubuntu's using OpenZFS, which is under the CDDL. IANAL, but I don't see that as a showstopper for Fedora including it in the future. Of course, I'm frequently wrong. On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2016-03-16 at 14:40 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > > On that

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-18 Thread Mark Haney
I think that's almost everyone's biggest beef with Windows. The pagefile is the bane of every admin's existence. On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Tim wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-03-18 at 06:54 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > > Some years ago Fedora promoted btrfs as the next great FS, to replace > >

Re: btrfs doesn't support filesystem swap

2016-03-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > I was surprised that btrfs is still not considered production ready after > all this time. I don't recall ext3/4 taking this long to be considered > production ready. Weren't ext3/4 building on prior work with a lot of known problem areas tha