Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 2/10/2012 12:11 PM, Claude Jones wrote: On 2/10/2012 2:54 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Many thanks, I use your link as a staring point, well, hopefully you'll be able to get past staring, and actually read it ;-p -> run Wow, that was a pretty good typo ...

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 2/10/2012 2:54 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Many thanks, I use your link as a staring point, well, hopefully you'll be able to get past staring, and actually read it ;-p -> run -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 2/10/2012 5:34 AM, Claude Jones wrote: did anyone suggest this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd I have found it useful Claude: Nobody has suggested this and it looks promising. All I had found was the Fedora release document which seemed to assume that I was already at one with sy

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 10.02.2012 16:14, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> you are a simple desktop-user with your stuff >> in /home, if you are develop software and >> integrate workflows in a system for managment >> and so on /home does not interest you much > > I don't understand this. > Do you m

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Reindl Harald wrote: >>> sorry, but permanently reinstall the OS is a windows-thing >>> and especially unnaceptable if all 6 months a new version >>> is available and you have to maintain 2, 5, 10, 20 machines >> >> I don't agree - at least if one has 2 or 5 machines to deal with. >> I always do

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 10.02.2012 14:43, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> sorry, but permanently reinstall the OS is a windows-thing >> and especially unnaceptable if all 6 months a new version >> is available and you have to maintain 2, 5, 10, 20 machines > > I don't agree - at least if one has

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Reindl Harald wrote: > sorry, but permanently reinstall the OS is a windows-thing > and especially unnaceptable if all 6 months a new version > is available and you have to maintain 2, 5, 10, 20 machines I don't agree - at least if one has 2 or 5 machines to deal with. I always do a fresh install

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 02/10/2012 02:03 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 2/8/2012 10:26 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: . Is there anything resembling a single doc/html/post/whatever that can be used as a reference point to try to begin to understand what all this entails (hopefully that assumes systemd is something n

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 02/09/2012 02:13 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:10:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Unless things will fundamentally change with the way this usrmove stuff is implemented or FESCO reconsiders their mistake, you likely won't be able to yum-upgrade to it. yum upgrade

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 10.02.2012 08:35, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 02/09/2012 01:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> so tame one seocond and imagine how it should work >> copy all this files and maintain them twice with yum >> >> sorry, but this makes no sense at all > > Whoever said that the old versions were to be mainta

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 02/09/2012 01:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so tame one seocond and imagine how it should work copy all this files and maintain them twice with yum sorry, but this makes no sense at all Whoever said that the old versions were to be maintained? My thought was that they might be sitting there

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 2/8/2012 10:26 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: . Is there anything resembling a single doc/html/post/whatever that can be used as a reference point to try to begin to understand what all this entails (hopefully that assumes systemd is something new to learn rather than "of course you understa

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 9:16 PM, David wrote: Understood. As I said it appears, and I would expect, that a 'fresh install' does work with no problems. And I am not saying that the update path does not, or will not, work. Only that I did not have much success with it. And, as I recall, the 'problems' in the

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 11:51 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 2/9/2012 8:31 PM, David wrote: >> Paul, >> >> I have yet to see a fresh install of Rawhide or Fedora 17. The current >> nightly Rawhide build ISOs will not install at all, for me, for some >> reason, and there are no as of yet ISOs available of Fe

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 8:31 PM, David wrote: Paul, I have yet to see a fresh install of Rawhide or Fedora 17. The current nightly Rawhide build ISOs will not install at all, for me, for some reason, and there are no as of yet ISOs available of Fedora 17 that I know of. I would expect the Fedora 17 install

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 8:51 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 2/9/2012 2:12 PM, David wrote: >> On 2/9/2012 1:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 02/09/2012 10:00 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: David: Thanks for the link, I was unaware of this change for F17. >>> Yes indeed. When I read what was going

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 7:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.02.2012 03:54, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: On 2/9/2012 6:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.02.2012 02:51, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: but for whatever reason my gut says that clean installs when F17 is released will probably work (no bets on Rawhi

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 10.02.2012 03:54, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: > On 2/9/2012 6:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 10.02.2012 02:51, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: >>> but for whatever reason my gut says that clean installs when F17 is released >>> will probably work (no bets on Rawhide as that is where the proble

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 6:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.02.2012 02:51, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: but for whatever reason my gut says that clean installs when F17 is released will probably work (no bets on Rawhide as that is where the problems are supposed to be discovered --- and notice I use the word

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 10.02.2012 02:51, schrieb Paul Allen Newell: > but for whatever reason my gut says that clean installs when F17 is released > will probably work (no bets on Rawhide as that is where the problems are > supposed to be discovered --- and notice I use the word "probably" and not > "definitely" (

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 2:12 PM, David wrote: On 2/9/2012 1:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/09/2012 10:00 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: David: Thanks for the link, I was unaware of this change for F17. Yes indeed. When I read what was going to be done, my first thought was, "Dear Ghod in Heaven, *why?*" By

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 1:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/09/2012 10:00 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> David: >> >> Thanks for the link, I was unaware of this change for F17. > > Yes indeed. When I read what was going to be done, my first thought > was, "Dear Ghod in Heaven, *why?*" By the time I reached th

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:53:13 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/09/2012 10:34 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > On 09/02/12 18:30, Joe Zeff wrote: > > > > One question, though: will there be a way to > >> recover the disk space used by the now-redundant directories? > > > > Just 4 symlinks are left? > > >

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 09.02.2012 20:50, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 02/09/2012 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> you know the difference between MOVE and COPY? >> /usrmove != /usrcopy > > Of course I do. However, I've learned better than to assume that things like > this are named the way you think they > are. Just

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 02/09/2012 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: you know the difference between MOVE and COPY? /usrmove != /usrcopy Of course I do. However, I've learned better than to assume that things like this are named the way you think they are. Just because it's called usrmove doesn't mean that it coul

( Long Post)Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 09/02/12 18:53, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/09/2012 10:34 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 09/02/12 18:30, Joe Zeff wrote: One question, though: will there be a way to recover the disk space used by the now-redundant directories? Just 4 symlinks are left? It wasn't clear to me if everything in the

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 09.02.2012 19:55, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 02/09/2012 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> which disk space? >> where does a symlink consume noticeable space? > > As I wrote in another message, I was under the impression that the original > directories would be kept somewhere as > a backup. Just

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 02/09/2012 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: which disk space? where does a symlink consume noticeable space? As I wrote in another message, I was under the impression that the original directories would be kept somewhere as a backup. Just assuming that all will always go well and nuking the

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 02/09/2012 10:34 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 09/02/12 18:30, Joe Zeff wrote: One question, though: will there be a way to recover the disk space used by the now-redundant directories? Just 4 symlinks are left? It wasn't clear to me if everything in the old directories was deleted or not

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

Am 09.02.2012 19:30, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 02/09/2012 10:00 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> David: >> >> Thanks for the link, I was unaware of this change for F17. > > Yes indeed. When I read what was going to be done, my first thought was, > "Dear Ghod in Heaven, *why?*" By the > time I rea

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 09/02/12 18:30, Joe Zeff wrote: One question, though: will there be a way to recover the disk space used by the now-redundant directories? Just 4 symlinks are left? -- Regards, Frank Murphy, friend of fedoraproject UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsub

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 02/09/2012 10:00 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: David: Thanks for the link, I was unaware of this change for F17. Yes indeed. When I read what was going to be done, my first thought was, "Dear Ghod in Heaven, *why?*" By the time I reached the bottom of the page it all made sense. One que

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 9:42 AM, David wrote: On 2/9/2012 1:29 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 2/8/2012 2:17 PM, David wrote: If you 'liked' Fedora 16 you will just 'love' the new/moved filesystem. :-) David: I'll take the bait ... can you tell me what "love" is in the future? The comment was not inten

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/9/2012 1:29 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 2/8/2012 2:17 PM, David wrote: >> If you 'liked' Fedora 16 you will just 'love' the new/moved >> filesystem. :-) >> > David: > > I'll take the bait ... can you tell me what "love" is in the future? The comment was not intended to be "bait". :-)

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:08:10 +0100, suvayu ali wrote: [] > AFAIK, a live media cannot > update or upgrade a system. It tries to copy the diskimage as is. That chimes with my experience. I unthinkingly did "yum update" while a machine was running a live medium, and it snarled i

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 23:36, Pete Travis wrote: > >> > Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: >> >> >> >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to >> >> try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). > > It sounds like you performed a new instal

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:10:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Unless things will fundamentally change with the way this usrmove > stuff is implemented or FESCO reconsiders their mistake, you likely > won't be able to yum-upgrade to it. yum upgrade should work, but there will be some extra ste

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on "new/moved filesystems"

On 2/8/2012 2:17 PM, David wrote: If you 'liked' Fedora 16 you will just 'love' the new/moved filesystem. :-) David: I'll take the bait ... can you tell me what "love" is in the future? Thanks, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -- focus on systemd

On 2/8/2012 12:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: As far as systemd goes, more thought should have been done (IMAO) on making the transition as smooth and transparent as possible. You shouldn't expect the average non-techy user to know how to do whatever's needed to find out if all of the services that wer

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 02/08/2012 11:17 PM, David wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I'm hoping that by the time Fedora 17 is ready, most, if not all of these issues will be corrected and that things will be back to normal. In closing, I'd just like to point out that there are very few threads about inst

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Feb 8, 2012 5:27 PM, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" < n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > On 08/02/12 22:36, Pete Travis wrote: > > > > On Feb 8, 2012 11:50 AM, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" > > > > wrote: > >> > >> On 08/02/12 18:37, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> >

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 08/02/12 22:36, Pete Travis wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2012 11:50 AM, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" > > wrote: >> >> On 08/02/12 18:37, Reindl Harald wrote: >> > >> > >> > Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: >> >> >> >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, bu

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Feb 8, 2012 11:50 AM, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" < n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > On 08/02/12 18:37, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: > >> > >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to > >> try and install Fe

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 02/08/2012 02:17 PM, David wrote: If you 'liked' Fedora 16 you will just 'love' the new/moved filesystem. :-) Let's just say that when I ask for help on the Fedoraforum, I'm careful to point out that $FOO worked until I "upgraded" from F14 to F16. Why I always put quotation marks around

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 2/8/2012 3:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/08/2012 10:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> i know that the release quality get more and more worse and hope >> the people resposible for that will relize this as soon as possible >> but it doe snot help screaming and running away because changes in >> f

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:51:08 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/08/2012 10:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > i know that the release quality get more and more worse and hope > > the people resposible for that will relize this as soon as possible > > but it doe snot help screaming and running away beca

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 08/02/12 20:51, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/08/2012 10:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> i know that the release quality get more and more worse and hope >> the people resposible for that will relize this as soon as possible >> but it doe snot help screaming and running away because changes in >> fed

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 02/08/2012 10:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i know that the release quality get more and more worse and hope the people resposible for that will relize this as soon as possible but it doe snot help screaming and running away because changes in fedora will hit most distributons sooner or later

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -update

On 08/02/12 19:31, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 08/02/12 18:27, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to >> try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem >> arises when trying to do yum updates, I get multiple

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -update

On 08/02/12 19:31, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 08/02/12 18:27, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to >> try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem >> arises when trying to do yum updates, I get multiple

Re: Yum and Fedora 16 -update

On 08/02/12 18:27, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > > Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to > try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem > arises when trying to do yum updates, I get multiple errors, some of > which stop Fedora 16 from shutti

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

Am 08.02.2012 19:50, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: > On 08/02/12 18:37, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: >>> >>> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to >>> try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The p

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

On 08/02/12 18:37, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: >> >> Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to >> try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem >> arises when trying to do yum updates, I get mult

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

Am 08.02.2012 19:27, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: > > Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to > try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem > arises when trying to do yum updates, I get multiple errors, some of > which stop Fedora 16 from

Yum and Fedora 16

Currently I'm using Fedora 14, but after upgrading my PC I decided to try and install Fedora 16 from the KDE spin, (no problem). The problem arises when trying to do yum updates, I get multiple errors, some of which stop Fedora 16 from shutting down. Sadly, based on this experience, and previous e