Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.08.2012 17:23, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 24.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> and for that is STRG+ALT+Print+K which kills X really >> and bring you back to the login-screen which is way >> more helpful than a complete reboot or reset > > You can have that cheaper, without using m-sysrq

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/24/2012 08:23 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 24.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: and for that is STRG+ALT+Print+K which kills X really and bring you back to the login-screen which is way more helpful than a complete reboot or reset You can have that cheaper, without using m-sysrq, just press CT

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-24 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 24.08.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > and for that is STRG+ALT+Print+K which kills X really > and bring you back to the login-screen which is way > more helpful than a complete reboot or reset You can have that cheaper, without using m-sysrq, just press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. -- users mailing lis

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.08.2012 00:43, schrieb Joe Zeff: > It just happened again. I have reason to think that Firefox is responsible, > but at present, it's just a guess. > (One way I can tell it's happening is that I have an analog desktop clock > running, and don't maximize windows. As > long as the sweep-

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-22 Thread Edward M
Joe Zeff wrote: > When I do, I'm going all the way to an x64 system Which processor are you interested in? I think AMD's FX-8120 3.1 GHz, 8 Core, for the price, is a sweet deal? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/22/2012 03:17 PM, Ian Malone wrote: How much memory is on the machine? You might have said elsewhere, but I can't see it on this thread. The mobo's almost a decade old and maxed out at 1GB. Actually, the CPU could handle twice that, but without an appropriate mobo, it doesn't matter.

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 August 2012 23:43, Joe Zeff wrote: > It just happened again. I have reason to think that Firefox is responsible, > but at present, it's just a guess. (One way I can tell it's happening is > that I have an analog desktop clock running, and don't maximize windows. As > long as the sweep-sec

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/21/2012 05:28 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Stupid question, but have you tried using a different browser than Firefox like Opera or Chrome? Not recently. I do have Seamonkey installed for emergencies, but would rather not use it because I dislike it intensely. What I'd like to find is a w

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Rick Stevens
On 08/21/2012 03:43 PM, Joe Zeff uttered this comment: It just happened again. I have reason to think that Firefox is responsible, but at present, it's just a guess. (One way I can tell it's happening is that I have an analog desktop clock running, and don't maximize windows. As long as the sw

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Joe Zeff
It just happened again. I have reason to think that Firefox is responsible, but at present, it's just a guess. (One way I can tell it's happening is that I have an analog desktop clock running, and don't maximize windows. As long as the sweep-second hand's moving, I know the box hasn't froze

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/21/2012 11:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > in which way does this change the fact that you are repsonding > to my "i am moderated" with "This list isn't moderated"? > Some people just earn the privilege The list, as a whole, isn't moderated. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorap

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/21/2012 11:38 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 23:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> This list isn't moderated. > But some posters are, if I remember correctly. > Yes... But that number is extremely small. And those that become moderated tend to disappear. -- Programming today is

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 23:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > This list isn't moderated. But some posters are, if I remember correctly. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/20/2012 10:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > i am only using reply-all because moderated and it takes > up to days until moderators are realsing posts here This list isn't moderated. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-pr

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.08.2012 17:32, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:27 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 20.08.2012 16:21, schrieb Aaron Konstam: >>> On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.08.2012 15:55, schrieb Aaron Konstam: >> If a system hangs, the m

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.08.2012 16:21, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 20.08.2012 15:55, schrieb Aaron Konstam: If a system hangs, the most important thing is to get all your data written to disk, to minimize data loss. This is done by pressing "S

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.08.2012 15:55, schrieb Aaron Konstam: >> If a system hangs, the most important thing is to get all your data >> written to disk, to minimize data loss. This is done by pressing "S", >> after pressing and holding down AltGr+Prt(SysRq). An often cited and >> well known combination (and easy t

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:27 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 20.08.2012 16:21, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 16:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> > >> Am 20.08.2012 15:55, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > If a system hangs, the most important thing is to get all your data > >>>

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 14:54 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/19/2012 02:34 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > > Open a console, try holding down the AltGr+Sysrq with your right hand > > and press "s" with your left. This combination forces an emergency > > sync (fsync) and does not harm. You should see a messa

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 23:01 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 19.08.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: > > > If you have any suggestions about how to make it work properly, I'll be more > > than happy to do some more testing. > > As far as I remember, Fedora has it compiled in, but the standard is > "disabled".

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.08.2012 23:38, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 08/19/2012 02:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> STRG + ALT + PRINT + >> STRG + ALT * PRINT + S = emergency sync as example >> >> you do NOT let go any key >> you press it in this order and let down the keys all the time > > What key is "STRG" supposed to

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.08.2012 23:19, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 08/19/2012 02:01 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> As far as I remember, Fedora has it compiled in, but the standard is >> "disabled". Look in /etc/sysctl.conf after "kernel.sysrq", and if it's >> set to 0 or not present, add "kernel.sysrq = 1" and do a "sysctl

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/19/2012 02:34 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: Open a console, try holding down the AltGr+Sysrq with your right hand and press "s" with your left. This combination forces an emergency sync (fsync) and does not harm. You should see a message on the screen. Doesn't work, at least, not reliably. Once

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-19 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 19.08.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: > Now, by "pressing > and holding down AltGr+Prt(SysRq)" do you mean that I hold those two keys > down, let go and then press the other key? No. You press these two keys, hold it down, and add the other keys while you are holding AltGr+Sysrq. The AltGr key is mo

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/19/2012 02:01 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: As far as I remember, Fedora has it compiled in, but the standard is "disabled". Look in /etc/sysctl.conf after "kernel.sysrq", and if it's set to 0 or not present, add "kernel.sysrq = 1" and do a "sysctl -p" as root afterwards. Yes. I did that when I

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-19 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 19.08.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: > If you have any suggestions about how to make it work properly, I'll be more > than happy to do some more testing. As far as I remember, Fedora has it compiled in, but the standard is "disabled". Look in /etc/sysctl.conf after "kernel.sysrq", and if it's set to 0

Re: Weird freeze

2012-08-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/21/2012 12:07 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 21.06.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing responded. Does M-sysrq work? When you asked this, I was away from home

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 21:25:23 -0400, "Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I" wrote: On 06/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Check that your fans are all running and that there isn't a lot of dust blocking air flow. Joe...really?...that would cause a REBOOT all by itself? Hmm..I wouldn't h

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 08:18:03AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few > minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box > froze. Nothing responded. Even the second hand on my desktop clock > stopped moving. Just as I was about

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 06/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 08:18:03 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing responded. Even the second hand on my desk

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/21/2012 04:46 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > >> You might not need to be as drastic. If you do top and view the one - or >> so many - program(s) that use an incredible amount of resources, then >> remove that/those program(s), you should be f

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/21/2012 04:46 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: You might not need to be as drastic. If you do top and view the one - or so many - program(s) that use an incredible amount of resources, then remove that/those program(s), you should be fine. So far, when I've had my desktop freeze I've never been

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Richard Vickery
g_list_guidelines<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines> > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > I recently got a weird freeze in my F-17 upgrade. I went to remove one program and ended up removing about 38. after this I chose to re-install the e

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/21/2012 12:07 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 21.06.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing responded. Does M-sysrq work? I don't have it active and even if I did,

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.06.2012, Joe Zeff wrote: > Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, > I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing > responded. Does M-sysrq work? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 08:18:03 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing responded. Even the second hand on my desktop clock stopped moving. Just as I was about to

Weird freeze

2012-06-21 Thread Joe Zeff
Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box froze. Nothing responded. Even the second hand on my desktop clock stopped moving. Just as I was about to try for an alternate text console, it rebooted itself and