Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-06 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Shaw wrote: > To summarize the process: I will keep this description for future use. The UDF gap is a problem. I'd express my hope for implementation if i was not myself among the candidates to try such an endeavor. ECMA-167 and UDF 2.60 are available for free. They are just awful to

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-05 Thread Richard Shaw
Well this should be the final update in this thread unless I run into something that radically changes things... I finally got Blu-ray video working! I'm not sure if it was because the source video was 1080 interlaced or telecine encoded but forcing the framerate during conversion fixed the playb

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-04 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > I'm assuming blu-ray video does not require defect management, > > correct? > > Its use at write time would show up at read time only if > really blocks had to be replaced. Its non-use could show > up in form of bad or poorly readable bloc

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > On a side note cdrskin burned at 6X this time, not sure why... I would guess that subtle timing effects are involved. My workstation's USB shows similar symptoms with 16x DVD (not on SATA, or on eSATA and USB of younger test machine). Did you use dvd_obs=64k or stream_recording=on this tim

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 08/03/2013 06:12 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > >> Or even writable media (typo:-). Factory made discs are it. >> > > .. and none of what you said is true. > > You can burn to a BD-R disc and play it back in a set-top box or computer. > Ob

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/03/2013 06:12 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Or even writable media (typo:-). Factory made discs are it. .. and none of what you said is true. You can burn to a BD-R disc and play it back in a set-top box or computer. Obviously you have to burn it in the Blu-ray file format. The folder and fil

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:00:01 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > rewritable media Or even writable media (typo :-). Factory made discs are it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Co

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 17:49:02 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > Unfortunately it didn't work in my Panasonic blu-ray player... I don't yet > know if it doesn't like burned discs or if I did something wrong. I'm pretty sure the movie industry made absolutely sure that standard retail blu-ray players would

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On the blu-ray video front I'm making headway but still running into problems... Using the information I gleaned from: http://irishjesus.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/blu-ray-movie-authoring-in-linux/ http://www.x264bluray.com/ I've been able to convert my ATSC capture from MPEG2 to H264... Use tsMuxe

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > Will do, but I'm not sure when I'll have the need just yet. No need to hurry. I could try myself at the cost of wasted media and the risc that my hardware and system differ too much from yours. Kernel 2.6, burner at USB, ... several reasons why i might be unable to reproduce. So it is bette

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Shaw wrote: > > cdrecord without was at 6X and cdrskin without at about 4X > > Source code and man page of cdrskin indicate that a burn > run on BD-R has a transfer chunk size of 32 KiB if not > - option stream_recording=on

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-08-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Shaw wrote: > cdrecord without was at 6X and cdrskin without at about 4X Source code and man page of cdrskin indicate that a burn run on BD-R has a transfer chunk size of 32 KiB if not - option stream_recording=on is given - or option dvd_obs=64k is given - or ./configure option --ena

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-31 Thread Bill Davidsen
Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>> wrote: Richard Shaw wrote: ... skip spending time getting cdrtools 3.01 to build ... Don't know what issues you have building, it always built flawlessly for me, and installed in /o

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-31 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > growisofs with defect management > burned at about 3X, cdrecord without was at 6X and cdrskin without at > about 4X. I wonder why cdrskin could be slower. When all setups are made, then it is only about banging out data chunks of 64 kB. If the 4x speed is quite constant, then it might be a

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-31 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 21:53 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > DVD and BD format compatibility is clearly only about the filesystem, > because there is only one readable sector size with these media. On that note, I was always of the understanding that DVD-video was supposed (*) to use UDF, but I've o

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On a good note, my first attempt at using cdrskin to burn a backup was successful! Interesting to note, my attempt with growisofs with defect management burned at about 3X, cdrecord without was at 6X and cdrskin without at about 4X. For now until brasero gets its act together I'll just keep burni

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > Currently I have a blank BD-R disc in the drive but mount was still > showing the previous disc volume label which is why xorriso was > failing... I always disliked the habit of growisofs to try unmounting the drive before it begins to operate. umount is an admin job, whereas burning is a u

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen
Richard Shaw wrote: DISCLAIMER: Yes I'm whining, but hopefully someone who wants to user their BD writer will find this useful... Well I thought I would try to make my first blu-ray movie from some home movies instead of down converting them to DVD like I have been... Only to find out not only i

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Richard Shaw wrote: > >> ... skip spending time getting cdrtools 3.01 to build ... >> >> Don't know what issues you have building, it always built flawlessly for > me, and installed in /opt/schily/{bin,lib,man,etc}. Add /opt/schily/bin to >

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:56:31 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: > Note that I'm surprised that growisofs didn't work to burn the data once you > put > it in an image file By default growisofs does a "formatted" write, so if your iso image is exactly the size of the unformatted media, it won't fit. (Why

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen
Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Tom Horsley mailto:horsley1...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:50:38 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > Still ran out of "writable" space on the disc at about 97.7% complete so I > guess it needs to be a little smaller.

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > # xorriso -outdev /dev/sr0 -list_formats > > ... > > libburn : SORRY : Cannot open busy device '/dev/sr0' : Device or > resource busy > > Some program holds the device file open with flag O_EXCL, which > has a special meaning on Linux dev

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > So the "unformatted" one is pretty obvious which explains my first > failure... but then I tried reducing the image using the 24756879360 > (24.8GB) size, which still failed. Should I assume then that failure > was because growisofs reserved more spare space in its formatting > than I allowe

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Shaw wrote: > > When I use dvd+rw-mediainfo I see > > several different capacaities. Obviously if you use the formatting > > with defect management then you're going to loose some capacity, but > > the output is not clear wh

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Shaw wrote: > When I use dvd+rw-mediainfo I see > several different capacaities. Obviously if you use the formatting > with defect management then you're going to loose some capacity, but > the output is not clear which one is the correct. You probably mean something like this: Moun

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > It is not that bad with Blu-ray. At least with the backends. > (I am the developer of libburn and use BD-R and BD-RE media daily.) > > But wodim (or "cdrecord") out of cdrkit should really be used > only for CD. > > The slowliness of BD med

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-30 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 08:52 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > I was not subscribed up to now and did not yet find an archive that > exposes message ids. For future reference: The gmane newsgroup interface is one way to read old messages and respond to them, in thread. Messages sent through it, end

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, sorry for breaking the thread. I was not subscribed up to now and did not yet find an archive that exposes message ids. -- It is not that bad with Blu-ray. At least with the backends. (I am the developer of libburn and use BD-R and

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:50:38 -0500 > Richard Shaw wrote: > > > Still ran out of "writable" space on the disc at about 97.7% complete so > I > > guess it needs to be a little smaller. If anyone is wondering I'm getting > > the "count" from: > >

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:50:38 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > Still ran out of "writable" space on the disc at about 97.7% complete so I > guess it needs to be a little smaller. If anyone is wondering I'm getting > the "count" from: Blu-rays are exceedingly funky. There is total space, then there is "

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:42:03 -0500 > Richard Shaw wrote: > > > currently copying files into the image file... HOPEFULLY brasero will at > > least burn the image... > > Unlikely in my experience. What works for me is to download > and built fro

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: > On 7/28/2013 8:50 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > >> Now to see if I can get cdrtools to play nice (or replace cdrkit) or give >> up and put it in /usr/local and hope brasero can find it there. >> >> > Have you taken a look at this Howto;

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > Ok, ran into a couple of problems: > > 1. You don't actually get all 25GB after formatting, you get 24.8GB so I > needed to modify the dd line to: > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=./picback.udf bs=2048 count=12088320 > Still ran out of "writable" s

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-29 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:42:03 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > currently copying files into the image file... HOPEFULLY brasero will at > least burn the image... Unlikely in my experience. What works for me is to download and built from source the "real" cdrtools: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cd

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-28 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/28/2013 8:50 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: Now to see if I can get cdrtools to play nice (or replace cdrkit) or give up and put it in /usr/local and hope brasero can find it there. Have you taken a look at this Howto; It is a bit old, but it may still apply. http://www.stephencuppett.c

Re: The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-28 Thread Richard Shaw
Ok, ran into a couple of problems: 1. You don't actually get all 25GB after formatting, you get 24.8GB so I needed to modify the dd line to: $ dd if=/dev/zero of=./picback.udf bs=2048 count=12088320 2. Brasero now doesn't tell me that my image is too big for my disc, but still refuses to write.

The state of blu-ray burning in linux is terrible

2013-07-28 Thread Richard Shaw
DISCLAIMER: Yes I'm whining, but hopefully someone who wants to user their BD writer will find this useful... Well I thought I would try to make my first blu-ray movie from some home movies instead of down converting them to DVD like I have been... Only to find out not only is it currently laborio