Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Robert Myers wrote: > > >> Have you actually used preupgrade yourself? > >> If so, what was the length (approximately) of the longest pause > >> you experienced? > > > I have used preupgrade multiple times on multiple boxes. > > Then perhaps

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 08:01 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > How about progress indicators that race up to 98 or 99% finished and > stay there seemingly forever? The ones that would really annoy me made their way up to 100%, and stayed there for ages, when they hadn't reached 100%, but were at 99.

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

Robert Myers wrote: >> Have you actually used preupgrade yourself? >> If so, what was the length (approximately) of the longest pause >> you experienced? > I have used preupgrade multiple times on multiple boxes. Then perhaps you can answer my question - roughly how long is the longest pause you

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Robert Myers wrote: > > > What the OP asked for > > (demanded, really) is not possible even in theory. Enormous amounts of > > time > > could be expended, and programs *with* status indicators will still have > > long, inexplicable pauses

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

Robert Myers wrote: > What the OP asked for > (demanded, really) is not possible even in theory. Enormous amounts of > time > could be expended, and programs *with* status indicators will still have > long, inexplicable pauses if something unexpected happens. As the OP, I didn't "demand" anythi

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 03:08 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I probably will; > but I'm surprised no-one has agreed with me (as the OP) > that the pauses in preupgrade are astonishingly long. Noone other than the developer of the program needs to agree for it to change. Filing it in bugzilla with more detail

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell < > christofer.c.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers >wrote: > >>> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko >wrote: > >>> On 07/08/2

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell > wrote: >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myerswrote: >>> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed >>> >> Greshkowrote: >>> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: >> Ignorance is everywhere. How do I file an RFE to b

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 05:57 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >> Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football, >> passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum. >> > All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over > for no apparent reason > > If one falls down often enough near the top

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

> Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football, > passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum. All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over for no apparent reason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: htt

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

Ed Greshko wrote: >> I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, >> and it nearly all went well. >> But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening >> off-putting, to put it mildly. >> >> It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" - >> what is that about? >> I assumed the program h

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 01:56 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > Oh, I'm a compleat idiot. I'll perform for groups. Email me for rates. Don't be too hard on yourself. -- Computer room being moved. Our systems are down for the weekend. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > > Mind your step, though. I ain't stupid. > > > So, you said "This is the end of our conversation"and you continue. > It may not be "stupid" but it certainly does lack an end. > Oh, I'm a compl

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > Mind your step, though. I ain't stupid. > So, you said "This is the end of our conversation"and you continue. It may not be "stupid" but it certainly does lack an end. -- Computer Science is merely the post-Turing decline in formal systems theo

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > > I did not criticize you. I made observations that were critical of your > approach. > > You *may* be right about "progress bars/dots" being of no value. I only > observed that you chose to use sarcasm to debase a fellow poster in your > a

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 12:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko > wrote: > > On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > You don't know me any more than you know if there is > extraterrestrial > > life. > I can, based

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > > And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's > > > written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll > > be > > > glad to know they're

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's > > written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll > be > > glad to know they're wasting their time. > > > > Of *course* you can try to imagine what t

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell < christofer.c.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >>> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: >>> > You don't know me any more than you know

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: >> > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial >> > life. >> I can, based on observations and other factors, specu

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial > > life. > I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the > chances of the existence of extraterrestrial

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial > life. I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life. I can suspect that there is/is not extraterrestrial lif

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > > It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an > > > unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents > > > detecting this reliably. Howe

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/08/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > > > I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray > > from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a > > fellow > > poster. > > > > > > A

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray > from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a > fellow > poster. > > > A veteran of many Internet wars, I am long past worrying about what > peo

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an > > unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents > > detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means > > something more ordinary, "n

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would > > consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. > > > > From a practical point of view, all possible states of

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would > consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. > > From a practical point of view, all possible states of a program > cannot be examined and tested. If you want to thin

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an > unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents > detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means > something more ordinary, "no

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > It really would be helpful if developers could make sure > > that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, > > comes up from time to time. > > > > The most general response to your request would appear to require > violation

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > > > > If some poor soul at Microsoft couldn't deliver a version of Vista > > that reassured Steve Ballmer (who allegedly throws furniture) that > > wonderful new Vista was actually doing

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Timothy Murphy > wrote: > > It really would be helpful if developers could make sure > that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, > comes up from time to time

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > It really would be helpful if developers could make sure > that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, > comes up from time to time. > The most general response to your request would appear to require violation of the Hal

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 08:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)? :-) :-) > > File, file, file. Native English speakers have PEBKAC too -- QOTD: "It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun." 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Desc

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Timothy Murphy wrote: > From: Timothy Murphy > Subject: The quietness of preupgrade > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 4:22 PM > > I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, > and it nearly all went well. > But I fou

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

On 07/08/2010 07:22 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, > and it nearly all went well. > But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening > off-putting, to put it mildly. > > It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" - > what is that about? > I as

The quietness of preupgrade

I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, and it nearly all went well. But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening off-putting, to put it mildly. It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" - what is that about? I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup