Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread JD
On 08/18/2010 07:21 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > > On 08/18/2010 09:08 PM, JD wrote: >>On 08/18/2010 04:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, JD wrote: Thanks to all who made important suggestions. It now works. >>> Adding SOLVED to the Subject k

Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 18:08 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/18/2010 04:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, JD wrote: > >> Thanks to all who made important suggestions. > >> It now works. > > Adding SOLVED to the Subject kind of implies that you'll explain *how* > > it

Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 08/18/2010 09:08 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/18/2010 04:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, JD wrote: >>> Thanks to all who made important suggestions. >>> It now works. >> Adding SOLVED to the Subject kind of implies that you'll explain *how* >> it was solved.

Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread JD
On 08/18/2010 04:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, JD wrote: >> Thanks to all who made important suggestions. >> It now works. > Adding SOLVED to the Subject kind of implies that you'll explain *how* > it was solved. That's the point. > > poc > Well, it was no

Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, JD wrote: > Thanks to all who made important suggestions. > It now works. Adding SOLVED to the Subject kind of implies that you'll explain *how* it was solved. That's the point. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change s

Re: Sendmail on a LAN - SOLVED

2010-08-18 Thread JD
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Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread JD
On 08/18/2010 03:28 AM, Tim wrote: > Are you aware that if your SMTP server is on an IP in the range of > addresses your ISP doles out to its private customers, you may be on a > blacklist of IPs to ignore. It's a common practice for many other mail > servers, or their incoming mail filters, to

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/18/2010 09:06 PM, Tim wrote: > While the next person to get your IP mayn't actually receive mail, > they'll still get attempts to connect to their SMTP server, whether or > not they even have them, until other people's systems find out about > your new IP. Sure. As a matter of fact, I did

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/17/2010 08:28 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 07:50 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> On 08/17/2010 05:10 PM, JD wrote: >>>On 08/17/2010 04:56 PM, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> On 08/

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/18/2010 09:13 PM, Tim wrote: > The trouble is that the problem is external, and out of your control. > Others can use any number of filtering techniques, good or bad. If your > on just one black list, that's a problem. Yes, many things are external to ones system and out of ones control.

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
JD wrote: > I have done all that. Really. ISP (at&t) has unblocked port 25 > per my request. So I can indeed smtp out. But when an smtp request > comes in to the router, the router seems to get confused as to the > session type - and calls is an Unknown session type, and blocks > the request. Rout

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Are you aware that if your SMTP server is on an IP in the range of >> addresses your ISP doles out to its private customers, you may be on a >> blacklist of IPs to ignore. It's a common practice for many other mail >> servers, or their incoming mail filters, to only accept mail sent from >

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Whether it be monthly, or more rapidly, SMTP servers aren't supposed to >> change (numerical IP) addresses. It's not a good idea to run a SMTP >> server from a dynamic address. When your address changes, you lose mail >> (from anything that cached your IP, and keeps on using the cached >>

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/18/2010 06:28 PM, Tim wrote: > Are you aware that if your SMTP server is on an IP in the range of > addresses your ISP doles out to its private customers, you may be on a > blacklist of IPs to ignore. It's a common practice for many other mail > servers, or their incoming mail filters, to o

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/18/2010 06:31 PM, Tim wrote: > Whether it be monthly, or more rapidly, SMTP servers aren't supposed to > change (numerical IP) addresses. It's not a good idea to run a SMTP > server from a dynamic address. When your address changes, you lose mail > (from anything that cached your IP, and k

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Dyndns, and other such things, are useful for giving yourself a hostname >> that you can control, to a static IP. But aren't going to be much good >> if you have a dynamic IP. Private webserving's easy enough with a >> varying IP, mail serving's another matter. PaulCartwright: > You can

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-18 Thread Tim
Gordon Messmer: >> You'll want to arrange a smart-host through which you can route all of >> your outbound mail. JD: > I talked to them, and I am able to at least send out email. Are you aware that if your SMTP server is on an IP in the range of addresses your ISP doles out to its private custome

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 07:50 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 08/17/2010 05:10 PM, JD wrote: >>On 08/17/2010 04:56 PM, Craig White wrote: >>> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: >> On

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/17/2010 05:10 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 04:56 PM, Craig White wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: >>> On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: >> On 08/17/20

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 17:10 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 04:56 PM, Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: > >> On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > >>>On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: >

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 04:56 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: >> On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >>>On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: >> Re: a.b.c.d

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:50 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 04:35 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 08/17/2010 02:28 PM, JD wrote: > >> So, why would any mail client/server send an email message > >> to my ip address on a port other than 25? > > They never would. > > > >> Seems that I would need to

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 16:47 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: > >>On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > >>> On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: > Re: a.b.c.d ==>valid.host.name > and valid.host.name

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 04:35 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/17/2010 02:28 PM, JD wrote: >> So, why would any mail client/server send an email message >> to my ip address on a port other than 25? > They never would. > >> Seems that I would need to configure the dydns account to >> forward the email to m

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 03:35 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: >>On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: >>> On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: Re: a.b.c.d ==>valid.host.name and valid.host.name ==>a.b.c.d does not seem to apply to the goog

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/17/2010 02:28 PM, JD wrote: > So, why would any mail client/server send an email message > to my ip address on a port other than 25? They never would. > Seems that I would need to configure the dydns account to > forward the email to me on that alternate port, no? Yes. I merely meant that

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 08/17/2010 02:25 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: >> On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: >>> Re: a.b.c.d ==> valid.host.name >>> and valid.host.name ==> a.b.c.d >>> does not seem to apply to the google smtp server I use for Thunderbird. >> You did your test ent

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 01:30 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/17/2010 10:09 AM, JD wrote: >> But I think at&t is blocking port 25. > Normally they will, and that's good. It prevents infected Windows > desktops from sending spam directly. > > You'll want to arrange a smart-host through which you can rout

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 01:29 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/17/2010 11:26 AM, JD wrote: >> Well, that would require that sendmail would have to listen >> on that alternate port. How is that accomplished? > That's probably a step you don't need to take. You just need your > router to forward a port oth

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 01:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: >> Re: a.b.c.d ==> valid.host.name >> and valid.host.name ==> a.b.c.d >> does not seem to apply to the google smtp server I use for Thunderbird. > You did your test entirely backward. You did a forward lookup

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 12:53 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, JD said: >> Well, that would require that sendmail would have to listen >> on that alternate port. How is that accomplished? > Change DaemonPortOptions. > > If you are using the .mc (recommended) way of configuring sendmail, do > som

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/17/2010 10:09 AM, JD wrote: > But I think at&t is blocking port 25. Normally they will, and that's good. It prevents infected Windows desktops from sending spam directly. You'll want to arrange a smart-host through which you can route all of your outbound mail. -- users mailing list use

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/17/2010 11:26 AM, JD wrote: > Well, that would require that sendmail would have to listen > on that alternate port. How is that accomplished? That's probably a step you don't need to take. You just need your router to forward a port other than 25 to your sendmail server's port 25. The po

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/17/2010 09:33 AM, JD wrote: > Re: a.b.c.d ==> valid.host.name > and valid.host.name ==> a.b.c.d > does not seem to apply to the google smtp server I use for Thunderbird. You did your test entirely backward. You did a forward lookup first, and then checked the PTR of the IP which was ret

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread fred smith
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:26:11AM -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 11:12 AM, fred smith wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:09:55AM -0700, JD wrote: > >>On 08/17/2010 09:36 AM, Tim wrote: > >>> On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:24 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > Get a dyndns.com name for your

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, JD said: > Well, that would require that sendmail would have to listen > on that alternate port. How is that accomplished? Change DaemonPortOptions. If you are using the .mc (recommended) way of configuring sendmail, do something like: dnl for local connections DAEMON_OP

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 11:12 AM, fred smith wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:09:55AM -0700, JD wrote: >>On 08/17/2010 09:36 AM, Tim wrote: >>> On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:24 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: Get a dyndns.com name for your router public ip address and set up at dyndns to get mai

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Steven Stern
On 08/17/2010 12:56 PM, PaulCartwright wrote: >On 08/17/2010 12:36 PM, Tim wrote: >> Dyndns, and other such things, are useful for giving yourself a hostname >> that you can control, to a static IP. But aren't going to be much good >> if you have a dynamic IP. Private webserving's easy enough

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread fred smith
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:09:55AM -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/17/2010 09:36 AM, Tim wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:24 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > >> Get a dyndns.com name for your router public ip address and set up at > >> dyndns to get mail delivered to that name. > > Of course, if your

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread PaulCartwright
On 08/17/2010 12:36 PM, Tim wrote: > Dyndns, and other such things, are useful for giving yourself a hostname > that you can control, to a static IP. But aren't going to be much good > if you have a dynamic IP. Private webserving's easy enough with a > varying IP, mail serving's another matter

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Mikkel
On 08/17/2010 12:09 PM, JD wrote: > My router's public IP address is static. So that is not a problem. > But per other replies on this list, it sounds like > a complicated puzzle to solve. > I have a dyndns name. and it maps onto my router's static IP > address. But I think at&t is blocking port 2

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 09:36 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:24 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: >> Get a dyndns.com name for your router public ip address and set up at >> dyndns to get mail delivered to that name. > Of course, if your IP changes, then mail is going to get screwed up > during the

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:24 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > Get a dyndns.com name for your router public ip address and set up at > dyndns to get mail delivered to that name. Of course, if your IP changes, then mail is going to get screwed up during the time it takes for next delivery attempt to

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 08:47 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 08/16/2010 10:46 AM, JD wrote: >> Clearly, a full setup of DNS server for your domain >> must be set up, per this wiki, along with mx records ...etc. >> >> Does this prevent one from settiing up and using sendmail >

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 08/16/2010 10:46 AM, JD wrote: > > Clearly, a full setup of DNS server for your domain > must be set up, per this wiki, along with mx records ...etc. > > Does this prevent one from settiing up and using sendmail > on a LAN to send and receive email to/from the outside world?

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-16 Thread JD
full setup of DNS server for your domain > must be set up, per this wiki, along with mx records ...etc. > > Does this prevent one from settiing up and using sendmail > on a LAN to send and receive email to/from the outside world? > > > In a word, no. > > Get a d

Re: Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-16 Thread Gregory Woodbury
this prevent one from settiing up and using sendmail > on a LAN to send and receive email to/from the outside world? > In a word, no. Get a dyndns.com name for your router public ip address and set up at dyndns to get mail delivered to that name. Set your router to forward incoming SMTP to

Sendmail on a LAN

2010-08-16 Thread JD
I read the wiki for setting up and configuring sendmail http://www.wikihow.com/Configure-Sendmail Clearly, a full setup of DNS server for your domain must be set up, per this wiki, along with mx records ...etc. Does this prevent one from settiing up and using sendmail on a LAN to send and