On 5 October 2014 20:55, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
wrote:
> 2014-10-05 2:39 GMT-05:00 Rolf Turner:
>>
>>
>> Surely this thread is ***TOTALLY*** off-topic for this list.
>>
> Absolutely true. Still has been enlightening and interesting thread right?
Unfortunately since this is not a good mai
On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 14:52 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
wrote:
> I understand the concern for the initial care in children's literacy,
> but I think the fears are unfounded and instead of seeking to create
> or modify fonts to suit what he considers fundamental to literacy for
> children
On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 20:39 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
> Surely this thread is ***TOTALLY*** off-topic for this list.
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On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 10:08 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> But the cursive will be unreadable by everyone, including the one who
> wrote it :-).
That's my handwriting, in general, after about a paragraph. By then, my
hand cramps up.
I had a friend who was never taught it in primary school, so he co
2014-10-05 2:39 GMT-05:00 Rolf Turner:
>
>
> Surely this thread is ***TOTALLY*** off-topic for this list.
>
Absolutely true. Still has been enlightening and interesting thread right?
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2014-10-02 9:08 GMT-05:00 Tom Horsley :
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:57:48 -0400
> Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> Anything handwritten in the "real world" will be both block and cursive, so
>> they have to learn how to read both.
>
> But the cursive will be unreadable by everyone, including the one who wrote
> I agree with all of this, including the questions about context. The fact is
> any learner of latin character languages will have to learn to read multiple
> typefaces: handwritten block and cursive, and serif and sans-serif type. The
> more they read, the better the word recognition will get.
Surely this thread is ***TOTALLY*** off-topic for this list.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 05/10/14 18:27, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 05 October 2014, Ian Malone sent:
What I was trying to demonstrate was that sound of a capital letter
*is* exactly the same as a lower case letter. Hence app
Allegedly, on or about 05 October 2014, Ian Malone sent:
> What I was trying to demonstrate was that sound of a capital letter
> *is* exactly the same as a lower case letter. Hence apple and APPLE
> sound the same. Teaching children otherwise would be a fun
> experiment.
That wasn't my point.
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On 4 October 2014 04:53, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 03 October 2014, Ian Malone sent:
>> This is not correct:
>> Across.
>> Receipt.
>> Accept (!?)
>> It's not universally how letter sounds are taught in any case. Letter
>> names are not the same as sounds.
>>
>> If you have a point about
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 13:25 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 03 October 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> > I have never heard this proposition in my (many) decades
> > of speaking and writing English. Could it be something specific to
> > Australian schools?
>
> No idea. I know it's d
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 10:55 +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
> It's not universally how letter sounds are taught in any case.
That's true, but in a given locality, you're going to be teaching your
students the same ones. And you start with the words that fit the
rules, then progress through the exception
Allegedly, on or about 03 October 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> I have never heard this proposition in my (many) decades
> of speaking and writing English. Could it be something specific to
> Australian schools?
No idea. I know it's done here, because I was born here and went
through it. My
Allegedly, on or about 03 October 2014, Ian Malone sent:
> This is not correct:
> Across.
> Receipt.
> Accept (!?)
> It's not universally how letter sounds are taught in any case. Letter
> names are not the same as sounds.
>
> If you have a point about 'capital letters' it's more that the letter
>
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 18:20 +0930, Tim wrote:
> > Um...
> > the sound of a capital letter is exactly the same as a lowercase
> > letter.
>
> No, it's not. How you pronounce, or name, the letters is different
> for
> lowercase and uppercase.
>
> A Ay
> a short a, like in apple, or I'd like to r
On 3 October 2014 09:50, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 14:40 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:
>> Um...
>> the sound of a capital letter is exactly the same as a lowercase
>> letter.
>
> No, it's not. How you pronounce, or name, the letters is different for
> lowercase and uppercase.
>
> A Ay
> a sh
On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 14:40 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:
> Um...
> the sound of a capital letter is exactly the same as a lowercase
> letter.
No, it's not. How you pronounce, or name, the letters is different for
lowercase and uppercase.
A Ay
a short a, like in apple, or I'd like to read "a" book
On 10/02/2014 01:25 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
"Huked on foniks reely wurked for me!"
Go ahead and make fun of phonics, especially when you consider how many
exceptions there are in English spelling and pronunciation. Neither my
sister nor I speak Hebrew, but we both know the Hebrew alphabet a
On 10/02/2014 11:26 AM, Tim issued this missive:
Allegedly, on or about 02 October 2014, Chris Murphy sent:
Children learning languages that use roman characters learn simple
capital block letters first. Then lower case.
Depends on what country you're in. In Australia, and England (I think),
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Children learning languages that use roman characters learn simple capital
> block letters first. Then lower case.
I have to say that's precisely the opposite to everything I've ever
encountered. Lower case is taught first. Then later upper
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 02 October 2014, Chris Murphy sent:
> > Children learning languages that use roman characters learn simple
> > capital block letters first. Then lower case.
>
> Depends on what country you're in. In Australia, and England (I thi
Allegedly, on or about 02 October 2014, Chris Murphy sent:
> Children learning languages that use roman characters learn simple
> capital block letters first. Then lower case.
Depends on what country you're in. In Australia, and England (I think),
you learn the lower case letters first. You lear
On 10/02/2014 09:57 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Orange Paranoid
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
>> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
>
> Children learning languages
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:57:48 -0400
Chris Murphy wrote:
> Anything handwritten in the "real world" will be both block and cursive, so
> they have to learn how to read both.
But the cursive will be unreadable by everyone, including the one who wrote it
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On Sep 23, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
wrote:
> Well I watched your video and I think the person who made it has NOT
> idea about what typography is and less about its history. To begin,
> typography is idealized writing. It is, to some extent, abstract,
> impersonal. Not
On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Orange Paranoid
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
Children learning languages that use roman characters learn simple capital
block lett
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
>
> My requirement is in this video:
> http://youtu.be/BnA8dkN0ROU
>
>
I didn't watch the video, too m
I'm not sure there is the right source for your computer. So let see
in your different posts is a complex, multifactorial problem and
therefore has no simple or trivial solution.
I agree that a careful font selection for preparing printed materials
you use in class can help. But there are also oth
Hi! :)
I am sure that kids have been taught in one way or another on how to
write the English letters from a to z. However, the reality I face is
that after learning for two, three or four years, the apparently weak
kids have difficulty spelling very simple words. Then, I start to look
for solutio
Allegedly, on or about 25 September 2014, Orange Paranoid sent:
> In documents and presentation files. Beginners want to assume the
> one-to-one correspondence. Why in the world should some letters be
> written / printed differently? (It is not wise to explain this. Come
> on. They are just learnin
Allegedly, on or about 24 September 2014, Aradenatorix Veckhom
Vacelaevus sent:
> On the other hand, children who have been confused by the letters,
> would not be prone to dyslexia?
I have a suspicion that those subject to it, *may* benefit from writing
that isn't all rigidly spaced. A certain
Orange Paranoid:
I think the problem is that you didn't give enough context of your
question. Now I understand that your problem is to use a letter to
teach children to read.
I don't know what materials you use for this, but care must be taken
with all printed material is to use alphabets that do
On 09/25/14 02:54, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> See:
>
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Short+Stack#stats
>
> Font views in the last week
>
> 6,264,109
>
> This is the total number of times Short Stack was served by the Google
> Font API over the last week.
I am sure I am one of those served.
> ... the vast majority of websites and any printed material won't use this
> font
See:
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Short+Stack#stats
Font views in the last week
6,264,109
This is the total number of times Short Stack was served by the Google
Font API over the last week.
>
On 09/24/14 22:00, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> The Short Stack font seems to suit most of my purposes. (although the
> letter J does not have the horizontal stroke)
>
> Tim, you are my hero. I found it by googling "educational font".
>
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Short+Stack
>
> For those
The Short Stack font seems to suit most of my purposes. (although the
letter J does not have the horizontal stroke)
Tim, you are my hero. I found it by googling "educational font".
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Short+Stack
For those who are looking for a regular font for kids to copy and
On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 18:31 +0800, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> editing a font seems a daunting task. I will see if I have the time.
Way back in the dim and distant past, when all computers only did bitmap
fonts, I'd created my own fonts quite a few time. Mind you, this was at
dot matrix printer reso
On 24 September 2014 11:31, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Hello, editing a font seems a daunting task. I will see if I have the time.
>
> Is there any typography working for me?
>
> Typography doesn't have to work for everybody. It would be lovely to
> have typography working for me.
>
> My idea is tha
Hello, editing a font seems a daunting task. I will see if I have the time.
Is there any typography working for me?
Typography doesn't have to work for everybody. It would be lovely to
have typography working for me.
My idea is that no font is right for me. How could that happen in the
21st cent
Doug:
> +1 !
Hmm, shall I comment about this bad way of writing emails? ;-)
It does bring up an interesting point that there's, often, worse
spelling with typing than handwriting, at least with myself. You get a
bit ahead of yourself when you type fast, and sometimes not notice those
mistakes.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Orange Paranoid
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
>
> My requirement is in this video:
>
> http://youtu.be/BnA8dkN0ROU
You'll probably s
On 09/23/2014 04:11 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 09/23/14 16:08, Tim wrote:
>> As someone who's worked with young kids learning to read and right
>
> But not spell :-) :-)
>
+1 !
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Tim:
>> As someone who's worked with young kids learning to read and right
Ed Greshko:
> But not spell :-) :-)
Well caught, that'll teach me for doing two things at the same time.
Yet, amusingly enough, actually correct for one day. I was sitting
between two students who were getting on e
On 09/23/14 12:07, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Okay, thanks for the font editors. I think I need the font editors.
Oh, I just noticed that "yum install fontforge" would work just fine.
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On 09/23/14 16:08, Tim wrote:
> As someone who's worked with young kids learning to read and right
But not spell :-) :-)
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On Tue, 2014-09-23 at 00:41 -0400, Doug wrote:
> Making the letter "a" like a Kindergarten child is--_childish__!
In some forty-odd years I have only ever seen two people write the lower
case "a" like typewriters do (looking like a "d" where they top tail is
flopping over to the left), and the low
Well I watched your video and I think the person who made it has NOT
idea about what typography is and less about its history. To begin,
typography is idealized writing. It is, to some extent, abstract,
impersonal. Not attempts to imitate handwriting as when Gutenberg
printed his famous Bible of 42
On 09/22/2014 10:16 PM, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
>
> My requirement is in this video:
>
> http://youtu.be/BnA8dkN0ROU
>
> Please advise.
>
> B
Okay, thanks for the font editors. I think I need the font editors.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 09/23/14 11:14, Orange Paranoid wrote:
>> Thanks for suggesting gucharmap.
>>
>> Mm... Sorry, Comic Sans does not meet my requirement.
>>
>> The letter t does not have
On 09/23/14 11:14, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Thanks for suggesting gucharmap.
>
> Mm... Sorry, Comic Sans does not meet my requirement.
>
> The letter t does not have the tail.
>
> I have been searching for so long. No font meets my complete requirement.
>
> When a human being imitates the font,
On 09/22/2014 10:14 PM, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Thanks for suggesting gucharmap.
>
> Mm... Sorry, Comic Sans does not meet my requirement.
>
> The letter t does not have the tail.
>
> I have been searching for so long. No font meets my complete requirement.
>
> When a human being imitates
Thanks for suggesting gucharmap.
Mm... Sorry, Comic Sans does not meet my requirement.
The letter t does not have the tail.
I have been searching for so long. No font meets my complete requirement.
When a human being imitates the font, the handwriting is not what I
want in those fonts.
Are
On 09/23/14 10:16, Orange Paranoid wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
> world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
>
> My requirement is in this video:
>
> http://youtu.be/BnA8dkN0ROU
>
> Please advise.
>
You could use
Hello all,
I need a regular font resembling how a human being writes in the real
world. Beginners learning the English language need such a font.
My requirement is in this video:
http://youtu.be/BnA8dkN0ROU
Please advise.
Best wishes,
Orange Paranoid
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